Child marriage

(358 Posts)
FruityPops Mon 07-Oct-13 12:20:15

Why are so many imams in the UK willing to force fourteen year old girls to marry against their wishes? Don't ordinary muslims know what's going on?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2447720/Clerics-18-mosques-caught-agreeing-marry-girls-14-Four-imams-investigated-undercover-operation.html

friday16 Mon 07-Oct-13 12:22:07

Don't ordinary muslims know what's going on?

What makes you think they don't?

hiddenhome Mon 07-Oct-13 12:22:37

Of course they know wink

FruityPops Mon 07-Oct-13 12:25:11

friday and hiddenhome - why don't they do anything about it then?

18 out of the 56 mosques approached agreed to do it - this is not a tiny minority by anyone's standards.

MaidOfStars Mon 07-Oct-13 12:25:21
hiddenhome Mon 07-Oct-13 12:27:44

Nothing is done because people don't like to rock the boat. The places I've worked in where blatant wrongdoing is going on, but it's impossible to change things because it's such a big thing to do.

Hubb Mon 07-Oct-13 12:28:04

I, as an "ordinary" Muslim, have never come across this and am really shocked.

But why should ordinary muslims know what the sick ones are up to? It's not my job to police something I've never heard about or come across.

FruityPops Mon 07-Oct-13 12:29:00

Maid - Does the MCB actually have any authority over anyone? If so, who appointed them, and are they all men?

hiddenhome Mon 07-Oct-13 12:30:45

I've read a few autobiographies by muslim women who were forced into marriage and they all describe how the practise is well known about within their communities and the families go to great lengths to cover up what is going on. People can hide a great deal from the outside world and convince themselves that the outside world is hostile and 'won't understand'. Religious cults operate a similar system whereby their members are made to believe that the outside world is dangerous and wrong.

Trapper Mon 07-Oct-13 12:31:04

What about child abuse in the church - surely "ordinary Christians" should have known?

FruityPops Mon 07-Oct-13 12:32:17

Hubb - I'm glad you've never come across it, but it seems to be more prevalent than people thought - like the abuse that went on at the BBC, which people turned a blind eye to.

BlingBang Mon 07-Oct-13 12:32:29

My two friends were told from the age of 8 who they would be marrying. So used to it by the time they married they probably never thought to question it. Both finally divorced their husbands who were born and raised in Pakistan so had a very different mindset - it was all really ugly.

fuzzywuzzy Mon 07-Oct-13 12:32:46

I'm Muslim and this is not known within my community.

I know for a fact our imam would not even be approached for such a marriage as he'd give them short shrift and alert the authorities.

Hubb Mon 07-Oct-13 12:32:46

Glad you've used "a few biographies" as your backing for making such sweeping statements hidden

Exactly Trapper.......

hiddenhome Mon 07-Oct-13 12:33:08

I'm sure a great many ordinary Christians knew about Dodgy Priest A at X Parish and not to leave their kids alone with him. Stories soon get round about what is going on.

YouTheCat Mon 07-Oct-13 12:33:53

Exactly, Trapper.

But this is all about 'those evil, child abusing Muslims' isn't it? Ffs there are abusers in all walks of life and all religions.

FruityPops Mon 07-Oct-13 12:34:06

Trapper - two wrongs don't make a right. You shouldn't excuse evil just because someone else has been doing it too.

nennypops Mon 07-Oct-13 12:34:11

It' s a Daily Mail report about Islam, a topic on which they are well known to have a particularly unpleasant agenda. Therefore I would take very little of this report as reliable without seeing the evidence.

However, as usual they have buried the most relevant bit in paragraph 19 -

"The Muslim Council of Britain’s Ibrahim Mogra said: ‘UK law does not allow the marriage of underage girls and that’s all that matters to us here. In this country, it is illegal, it is forbidden and no imam should be allowed to conduct the marriage of an underage child.’"

Hubb Mon 07-Oct-13 12:34:33

May be more prevalent than people thought...but how is it up to ordinary muslims to know about these things, which is what you hint at in your OP

fuzzywuzzy Mon 07-Oct-13 12:35:15

Quite a roll on Mn recently

We've covered

The face veil
The babies in hijab
Halal slaughter
and now forced marriage of minors (thus far both the Muslim Mners on this thread have never heard of it in their communities, but apparently it's prevalent because everyone's read about it, so we're all turning a blind eye to it hmm).

nennypops Mon 07-Oct-13 12:36:11

like the abuse that went on at the BBC, which people turned a blind eye to.

What has this got to do with the topic? And why only refer only to the BBC when the perpetrators of the abuse were being allowed to operate much more in children's homes and hospitals with blind eyes being turned?

InspectorMagnet Mon 07-Oct-13 12:36:15

I wonder if the statistic of 18 out of 56 mosques is misleading. Presumably the invesigators only approached mosques where they thought it more likely to get agreement for a forced marriage.

Obviously, 18 mosques is 18 too many but it may be a far lower percentage than suggested by 18 out of 56 mosques.

FruityPops Mon 07-Oct-13 12:38:03

Cat - if we don't speak about what is happening, more young girls will be raped.

nennypops Mon 07-Oct-13 12:39:13

I'm sure a great many ordinary Christians knew about Dodgy Priest A at X Parish and not to leave their kids alone with him. Stories soon get round about what is going on.

Evidence? Surely you are aware that child abusers are unfortunately very good indeed at covering up what they do, not least by threatening their victims and making them feel guilty about what is happening.

YouTheCat Mon 07-Oct-13 12:39:31

No one has said two wrongs make a right. Two wrongs make a wrong ffs - the fact that they're Muslim is totally irrelevant. Abuse happens in all areas of society.

Fuzzy, I'm not a Muslim and I'm finding some attitudes on here lately bloody terrible.

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