what are key words to sue to GP to get exP sectioned for assessment?

[cestlavielife]

exP on downturn, smashed a rail otuside my house, scared dds by walking down street kicking cars such they requested not to be alone with him (so ahs been no contact since 27/10), his friends confirmed to me he been sliding downwards for few weeks, but that he refuses to go to GP.

I wrote concerns to GP - they have called me in and ahve appt tonight.

have had no texts from him since 30/10. last one was "how are you all2 dd repsonded "fine" i sent ext "please got o GP". dds not asking to call him. have driven past his flat and seen lights on.

social worker was able to tell me that MH services discharged him in feb 2010 - but not on grounds of being assessed as being ok rather because he did not attend two psch appts -this would have been appts during oct-dec 2009 when he was very bad - but a church lady literally picked him up off floor took him in fed him soup etc (she has some background in counselling etc) .same lady says that she has tried to get him to go seek help but he refuses.

he then became what i would describe as hypomanic (following pattern of pvs four years of deep downs followed by ups) til a few weeks ago...triggered by me trying to sort out financial separation and pending court hearing on this?

i have seen www.rethink.org/living_with_mental_illness/rights_and_laws/laws_you_need_to_know_about/mental_health_act/index.html

and best for dds sake would be he gets sectioned for assessment at least.

i am not nearest relative and i presume dds are too young(8 and 10) to be deemed so. he has no relatives here - only a dad and brother in spain.

what key words/phrases do i need to go to GP with?

DDs are scared of his behaviour - they need to know why and what is being done to get him "better".

[MissTired]

i dont know but i know im not doing great at all and have the crisis team coming to see me today, possibly mentioning the crisis team might help?!

[cupofcoffee]

I think it is best to tell GP all your concerns. Tell them what you have told us on here and mention his friends are concerned also, not just you. Maybe good idea to write it all down before hand so you don't forget anything you want to say.

[GypsyMoth]

Tell them he is a danger to himself, and at risk of police involvement ( kicking cars is crim damage)

He can't be a parent right now

Can't hold down a job

Alienating friends?

[cestlavielife]

have writen everything. social worker gave me crisis team number but of course they said "we cannot act on your concerns - he has to call us". they also said that it was a different team which did involuntary admissions under mental health act...

which is the whole problem. everyone is saying "what is wrong with this man?" including my dds - who are my prime concern - but because he is not actively seeking help - crisis team cannot get involved.

only way out as far as i can see is to try and insist to GP that THEY take action and send people round with a view to getting him involuntarily admitted for assessment. and possibly treatment.

[BookcaseFullofBooks]

I believe services will generally only admit for obs if a person is behaving in way that is a danger to themselves or others.
As pp says, tell your gp what you have said here.
An alternative way is to get the police involved while he is behaving violently.

[cestlavielife]

tks sprinkledust - i may need to lay it on thicker re self harm too - he has in the past, as they well know.

[cupofcoffee]

AFAIK nothing you say would be used to section him as it is third party info. The info you are giving to GP will hopefuly trigger them to go to see him to make an assessment themselves and from there hopefully call in extra services or if needed to arrange to section him.

Is there one of his friends who could also attend the GP with you? Hearing everyone's concerns and the info obtained from their own assessment could all help the GP to build up a clear pictue of the situation.

[cestlavielife]

tks bookcase, yes if he were to appear by house i cld call police - but dont want to put dc / myself in risky situation in order to "encourage" violent behaviour so can call police - catch 22...

[cestlavielife]

cupofcoffee yes will try tks.

[GypsyMoth]

I know from experience with my own ex that they detain for minimum time, if at all. And can't force treatment either.

Sounds like he doesn't want to help himself at all. Only way is to let him fall into further trouble untill he decides to help himself. People aren't sectioned and kept in hospital for long periods anymore I have found!!

[FunkyMonkey1983]

From personal experience it is very difficult to get someone sectioned. I tried everything but if the person doesn't want to help themselves then the doctors are reluctant to get involved. Sadly, it didn't end well in my situation.

Your exP has to want to get help, either that or you have to go down the route of taking it to court.

[cestlavielife]

well if he doesnt attend next hearing on finacial matters (2 dec) he can be arrested for contempt of court, as he didnt attend last one - but sent explicit text msg saying he was refusing to attend as didnt agree, hence judge put penal notice on order. so could wait for that....

so that potential arrest could "help".

if he applies to court to see children then can use that but somehow i doubt he will do that as again he didnt attend last court heairng re:children in nov 2009. he doesnt agree with courts or believe they can help - he also refused to attend a CAFCASS organized family conference.

it maybe a case of simply waiting out til he gets "up" (time period appears to be a few months going by last four years) at which point he will become more agressive and bullying and act...

or wait for it to not "end well ".

nowt i can do really. i have come to terms with that....but sad for the DC...

today with GP is my last shot for the dc sake...

[BookcaseFullofBooks]

I must admit that my xp did go in voluntarily, so I had a very different experience.

[cestlavielife]

GP yesterday was helpful, she said would try to contact exP; that his doctor was back on duty next week after a year away and he would be informed; that it was up to exP to engage with the mental health services and the criteria for sectioning were high, so that could be unlikely.

Nonetheless, I think she took the concerns seriously, she will review his notes etc. I gave her a potted history of his highs and lows and she did mention bipolar so maybe she will discuss with his own GP wether that is a diagnosis or not (seeing as medication is different for bipolar than for "just" depression...).

Is now up to them to take action or not. It is out of my hands, but I have done my duty in informing them....

Also, I think it was important for me to show the dc (I took them with me) that I have done all i can to get help for their dad - it wont be my fault if things don't end well..

meantime they dont wish to see him as scared of his behaviour. but as he has not benn in cotact to request contact (and i would only allow supervised at this point) then we keep a calm status quo...