TM expects UK to play full part in EU "until Brexit"

(50 Posts)
LurkingHusband Fri 21-Oct-16 10:15:59

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37710786

And, if the EU27 say "va te faire voir" ?

It's almost too embarrassing to be British sad ...

Silverthorne Fri 21-Oct-16 10:20:17

I am starting to think we made a mistake when we elected TM as PM as she really doesn't seem to have the cognitive faculties for the job.

Oh, wait a minute.....

TheElementsSong Fri 21-Oct-16 11:10:44

It's rather cringemaking isn't it?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/21/theresa-may-uk-centre-of-european-decision-making-until-brexit

In a brief speech at the end of an EU dinner in Brussels, the prime minister said Britain wanted to continue to play a central role in meetings and decisions until it leaves the EU

The speech angered fellow leaders, according to Manfred Weber, leader of the Christian Democrats in the European parliament. He said: “When somebody wants to leave a club, it is not normal that such a member wants to decide about the future of this club. That is really creating a lot of anger about the behaviour of the British government. If you want to leave please do so, but don’t decide for the European Union.”

LurkingHusband Fri 21-Oct-16 11:19:20

Actually I really hope the EU does move on sans UK. There's fuck all the UK can do about it, and it might shut up the "take back control" mantra of the Brexiteers, because this is what "control" looks like.

"You have made a desert and called it a peace" springs to mind ...

jaws5 Fri 21-Oct-16 12:32:14

This is so embarrassing. I'm just really worried that the mob in the form we saw on QT last night will became even angrier when they realise how powerless and irrelevant UK has become. I'm scared of them and I'm so thankful I'm in London.

prettybird Fri 21-Oct-16 13:27:35

But, but, but I thought that the EU told the UK what it had to do. I though it wasn't democratic? Isn't that what "taking back control" was all about? So surely whether or not we're involved in European decision making won't make any difference? confusedhmm

Tryingtosaveup Fri 21-Oct-16 15:37:27

We will be paying into the EU until we leave, so of course we should play a full part.
Otherwise let's not pay. I'd be happy with that.
The sooner we leave this rotten club the better.

Bearbehind Fri 21-Oct-16 15:41:39

PMSL trying, do you really think it's like being in the Brownies? I don't like this club so I'm not going to pay my subs anymore.

Do you really think it's that simple?

Just how do you think it would actually work if we walked away tomorrow?

SapphireStrange Fri 21-Oct-16 16:01:40

In the immortal words of Bernard Black, she can expect away!

LurkingHusband Fri 21-Oct-16 16:27:03

Tryingtosaveup

We will be paying into the EU until we leave, so of course we should play a full part.

And how do you propose to make the other 27 countries dance to your tune, by the way ?

Otherwise let's not pay. I'd be happy with that.

Not sure what the mechanism would be to achieve that, but I wonder what if the reaction would be for the EU to immediately cease paying subsidies, EU debting companies to just not pay their bills, and EU countries to refuse to import/export to the UK ?

Would you be happy with that ?

TheElementsSong Fri 21-Oct-16 16:33:53

And us to have to immediately pay the outstanding commitments to the EU?

Peregrina Fri 21-Oct-16 16:34:01

It's a bit like when you give your notice in, in your job - you don't expect to be included in forward planning, because you won't be there. You'd only be included if it affected the work you were finishing off.

So, we have told the rest of the EU that we want to leave, albeit not formally, and they are making their forward plans without us. And then we get in a strop about it.

Peregrina Fri 21-Oct-16 16:35:12

Would you be happy with that ?

Of course they would. This would be 'taking back control'.

MaliceInWonderland78 Fri 21-Oct-16 16:38:34

I'd be happy with that. But mostly because I know it's annoying a large proportion of mumsent members grin

Peregrina Fri 21-Oct-16 16:42:05

I take it you are not in a business supplying things to an EU country Malice? Suddenly, your bills didn't get paid, so you couldn't pay your mortgage, ........ Ah well, never mind that I am homeless, I annoyed some mumsnetters.

birdybirdywoofwoof Fri 21-Oct-16 16:42:12

Brexiteers are so eager to make themselves/us all unemployed grin

Yeah, I find the whole which language to negotiate in funny. Even that is going to take negotiating to sort...

tiggytape Fri 21-Oct-16 16:47:09

Britain was scheduled to have presidency of the EU Council next year but May voluntarily relinquished that.

Equally, her timing of Article 50 coincides with avoiding any British MEPs being elected in the 2019 elections.

And of course Lord Hill voluntarily gave up his role which gave Britain important influence in the EU too (albeit that last one was not on Theresa May's watch).

So there has been some element of us bowing out and not hanging on lead roles or seeking to dominate on to key roles.
But equally, Britain has been snubbed at summits (if they are deemed to be informal rather than formal ones GB can legitimately be left out). Some of that has been to allow the EU to get its stance ready for Article 50 but some also cover things that will still impact on GB until we leave. Insisting that we are included in the things that have a direct influence on the country for the coming years whilst not hanging on to longer term or powerful positions in the EU isn't so unreasonable.

Peregrina Fri 21-Oct-16 16:54:02

May is now 'optimistic' that we will get a good deal. I am not - simply because IMO TM has a blinkered view of what is good for the country. Just because she has aligned herself with UKIP doesn't make their beliefs any more correct.

Mistigri Fri 21-Oct-16 20:59:58

Insisting that we are included in the things that have a direct influence on the country for the coming years whilst not hanging on to longer term or powerful positions in the EU isn't so unreasonable.

I do agree with that; the problem is that May is coming across as a total amateur. Take today's spat over the language of negotiations - May overreacted, the French denied smugly that they had ever suggested such a thing, and Merkel responded in bemusement that it is normal for each party to use their native language.

Similarly, she jumped into the fray after Juppé's remarks last night in a way that was unnecessary and inadvisable.

She's doing herself no favours, and the wolves are circling.

annandale Fri 21-Oct-16 21:06:10

There must be someone in the Government who doesn't strike all the wrong notes whenever they venture Abroad.

Boris Johnson
Theresa May
David Davis

Actually, I don't think Phillip Hammond is doing a terrible job. Would he strike a slightly less clankingly inappropriate note?

Mistigri Fri 21-Oct-16 22:12:06

I think Europe could probably work with Hammond. He is by all accounts (I have colleagues who have had business dealings with him) a capable person with a good grasp of detail, and who comes across as educated, which would play well in the more meritocratic political environment in France and Germany.

Not a Tory, but I'm almost a fan of Hammond, if only because he obviously has no time for David Davis.

Tryingtosaveup Fri 21-Oct-16 22:45:38

I did not say we should be involved in forward planning for after we leave. But we should certainly be involved in planning for up until we leave.
And stop being childish mentioning Brownies.
I fully understand the implications of what I am saying. My priorities are different from yours.
You may not like what I say but I am entitled to say it.

Peregrina Fri 21-Oct-16 23:00:25

The trouble is it's the Brexiteers who are behaving as though it's just like leaving the Brownies, or the Cubs, in their case. The level of dialogue from them has mostly been at the same level as an eight year old.

Bearbehind Sat 22-Oct-16 09:22:37

and stop being childish mentioning Brownies

trying I mentioned Brownies in response to your post saying We will be paying into the EU until we leave, so of course we should play a full part. Otherwise let's not pay. I'd be happy with that. The sooner we leave this rotten club the better

I completely agree we have different priorities but that is one of the most childish and naive comments I've read on this subject.

I'm struggling to understand why you'd even think, let alone post, to suggest we can just stop paying the EU and leave more quickly.

TheElementsSong Sat 22-Oct-16 09:50:57

You may not like what I say but I am entitled to say it.

Who said you weren't entitled to say anything?

And as you do fully understand the implications some of which Lurking listed, what is your take on how to address them?

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