Honestly leave voters..

(34 Posts)
allegretto Tue 28-Jun-16 14:16:58

If the question on the ballot had been REMAIN or LEAVE to join the EEA what would you have chosen?

RortyCrankle Tue 28-Jun-16 17:11:25

It wasn't so a somewhat irrelevant question.

GetAHaircutCarl Tue 28-Jun-16 17:13:02

I think that is the key question.

If people were voting on sovereignty and not freedom of movemt.

MoggyP Tue 28-Jun-16 17:27:42

If you were asked 'do you prefer unicorns or trolls?' what would you have answered?

It wasn't the question, and hypotheticals aren't going to change the outcome.

HippiePrincess Tue 28-Jun-16 17:31:28

Oh. I didnt realise there might have been another option
Ffs

allegretto Tue 28-Jun-16 18:18:09

Yes it's a hypothetical question but seeing as that is what we're probably going to get it's a relevant one.

HippiePrincess Tue 28-Jun-16 18:25:39

Ok. You first grin

JayDot500 Tue 28-Jun-16 18:27:51

Very appropriate question. We won't be losing 'freedom of movement' anytime soon. Given that likelihood, many probably would not have seen much point in leaving. Immigrants are still going to come, we might just not have to pay them benefits.

Destinysdaughter Tue 28-Jun-16 18:29:16

I think a lot of pp were simply voting to get all immigrants ( and non white pp) out considering what's happened since...

allegretto Tue 28-Jun-16 18:30:18

Well I didnt vote leave! But I'm struggling to see how all this hardship and upset is going to be worth basically being back where we were before minus a vote - but I would be very happy for someone to tell me what the advantage is.

Destinysdaughter Tue 28-Jun-16 18:30:37

Think the referendum question should have been, Are you a bigot, yes or no?

Helmetbymidnight Tue 28-Jun-16 18:36:29

According to The times, 80% of leave voters did so because they wanted immigration controls (and thought they were getting them it seems)

Of the leave voters On Tv and on my FB, 100% thought that's what it was.

I want boris to tell them it's not happening..

girlinacoma Tue 28-Jun-16 18:42:29

What's wrong with wanting immigration controls?

You do realise don't you that a considerable number of immigrants into this country are white and english speaking (not that it should matter).

So what makes you think that someone wanting immigration control is racist?

I don't care who comes to our country or where they come from or even what their intentions are when they get here.

I do want to know that we have the infrastructure and resources in place to cope with everyone though and I also want to know that controls are (or could be) put in place should our infrastructure become strained.

Who on earth wouldn't want that reassurance?

JayDot500 Tue 28-Jun-16 18:45:41

girl the issue at hand is that people who voted for tighter border controls are not likely to get it.

Destinysdaughter Tue 28-Jun-16 18:50:23

And considering the amount of racism that has been shown to pp who are British but Brown skinned, turns out it wasn't just concerns about current levels of immigration, but a deep seated hatred of pp who aren't like them

Helmetbymidnight Tue 28-Jun-16 18:51:28

You said that with a lot more patience than I would have jay smile

allegretto Tue 28-Jun-16 18:51:48

I wanted remain and i dont think there is anything wrong with wanting immigration controls. The leave vote definitely won't get you immigration controls though that has already been established.

noblegiraffe Tue 28-Jun-16 18:52:10

helmet
I'm afraid that Boris has been telling them that it is happening (no freedom of movement).
twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/747737590451814400

I wouldn't be surprised if he also told Britain First that the foreigners would be going home and England that they were through to the next round of the Euros.

temporaryusername Tue 28-Jun-16 18:57:14

I think fewer leave voters would have turned out (too complicated). They needed a vague word like 'leave' or 'no' so it could be a focus for general rejection. Facts, detail, complexity, counterbalancing.... need not apply.

Some would still have voted leave as it would be a part solution for them.

I am still baffled as to why some leave voters feel a leave vote is in line with a rejection of immigrants from outside the EU. I mean, their fantasy that voting leave guaranteed fewer EU immigrants was one thing. I thought even leave voters realised that a rise in non EU immigrants was likely to result from Brexit. I thought even Farage and Boris had presented that as a positive. But now there is all this general racism being expressed.

The more some (some!) of these leave voters speak, the clearer it is that their problems really aren't caused by the EU or by immigration.

I am still giggling at the man who said on Channel four news last night, 'That is clearly a racist comment and it must be dealt with in a racist manner'.

temporaryusername Tue 28-Jun-16 18:59:07

Ps not really baffled. I know why, I just think it is disgraceful and speaks to their refusal to grasp the reality or detail of the choice before them.

Helmetbymidnight Tue 28-Jun-16 19:01:08

Boris is a duplicitous cunt.

(That gave me pleasure to write that).

noblegiraffe Tue 28-Jun-16 19:09:24

He will tell people exactly what they want to hear, then do what he hell he likes. Something to look out for over the coming weeks.

God help us if he becomes PM

fakenamefornow Tue 28-Jun-16 19:17:38

I don't necessarily think people who want immigration control are racists. In fact I do sympathise somewhat. If you can't get a job but see lots of Polish people moving into your community and finding work or you see your child who is struggling to read and getting little help in school but the children newly arrived and unable to speak English are getting 1 to 1 support, you might feel angry. Some people did have genuine concerns but if they complained they were just called racists. Nobody in mainstream politics listened to them and tried to address their needs, and now, this is the result.

If I were in their position I still wouldn't have voted leave though because I knew it wouldn't make a single bit of difference to free movement. The best we can hope for now is a deal on trade and free movement the same as we have now but with non of the voting right.

Destinysdaughter Tue 28-Jun-16 19:17:42

When Boris became mayor, the first thing he did was to cancel the Respect concerts in London and then disband the domestic violence forum, which held police forces across London to account regarding how they dealt with DV cases. This is not a man who is pro minorities or women.God help us if he is PM

RortyCrankle Tue 28-Jun-16 19:35:43

It is completely pointless for a Leaver to try to have a reasoned discussion with Remainers on here. All Remainers want to do is throw out insults and call us racist. I have explained on many threads that immigration was way down my list of reasons for voting but it appears that's too complicated for you to understand. Not forgetting the 'you are too thick to know what you are doing' taunts of course.

So I suggest you argue with each other and bore yourselves to death. I've stopped banging my head against a brick wall, seriously, none of you are worth the effort.

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