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Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Tue 15-Apr-08 19:00:52
Thought it was time for a new thread - we're almost out of room on the original one
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Tue 15-Apr-08 19:14:00
Well spotted Nomore
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Tue 15-Apr-08 19:23:19
hello
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By THTC on Tue 15-Apr-08 19:31:25
Just wanted to say hello to Ready and nomore (its ammy!)

Hope you are both ok. Got my long awaited BFP yesterday!! grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Tue 15-Apr-08 19:32:59
ammy how lovely to see you - brilliant news SO SO SO pleased for you
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By THTC on Tue 15-Apr-08 19:35:42
Thank you nomore!!

We are very happy- its been 15months since coil out and have just been to GP and asked for referral!!

I'm lurking with fingers crossed for you- you WILL be a mummy soon!!

TIP- vit E is very good for thickening womb lining for IVF. And acupuncture.

xxxx
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Tue 15-Apr-08 19:37:39
will look into vit e - haven't really got the spare cash or time for acupuncture at the moment
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Tue 15-Apr-08 19:39:24
Congrats Ammy How exciting
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By THTC on Tue 15-Apr-08 19:41:10
It is expensive. Iv found it a godsend but had to budget hard.

Thanks READY smile

Am egging you both on.

xx
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Tue 15-Apr-08 19:44:22
Cheers for the EGGING on... it means a lot
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By gillydaffodil on Tue 15-Apr-08 22:21:14
Hey, hey like the new thread!!!!! grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Tue 15-Apr-08 22:32:38
Hi Gilly how are you?
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By gillydaffodil on Tue 15-Apr-08 22:41:42
I'm fine, ridiculously positive this cycle (goodness knows why – I think Ready’s bright and shiny disposition is finally rubbing off on me!!!). I think that the prospect of starting IUI is filling me hope and I am looking forward to it.

How is the IVF prep going?
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Tue 15-Apr-08 23:11:54
I'm bored of waiting to get started. Have had a lovely pampering day today though (it was one of those gift experience things) so am feeling more relaxed now. Only a week to go and I start the down-regging drugs. I felt really positive once we'd started 'doing' something about ftc too - it's quite a nice feeling isn't it? Reminded me of the old days of heady enthusiasm about ttc
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By RahRah1 on Wed 16-Apr-08 09:13:14
Morning all...

Hope everyone is well. I'm soooooooo pee'd off. I'm on 15DPO (or 15 since IUI and 17 since hcg injection) so should of ovulated then. But have not come on. My normal LP is 12dpo, but HCG can extended that as last month I got to 13dpo. Tested yesterday and had BFN and had bad stomach cramping for days. Convinced myself of course I was pregnant and my boobs hurt etc etc.... and then this morning my temp dropped to 36.2 from 36.7, which I always get just before AF. Feel like someone out there is out to get me (((

So looks like IVF here I come... appointment is on 22nd of May (to see consultant)... so going to relax until then and let my hair down. (I should just go on to IVF straight after 3 failed attempts of IUI but of course my consultant did not document my treatment plan in my notes, so I have to go back and have it agreed with a consultant... GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR) Surprisingly I have now requested a new consultant. angry

Gilly - ask away my dear... any questions welcome.

Congratulations Ammy

nomoremagnolia - Fab news on getting started... have all my fingers and toes crossed for you. SOOOooo jealous of your pampering day envy

Ready - how did your reflexology go?

Right better go... hi to everyone and have a good day. X
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By EachPeachPearPlum on Wed 16-Apr-08 09:50:26
Hello new thread! I like the new name smile.

It's nice to hear some of you are feeling more positive. Let's hope we all get 2009 babies!

Just wondering - is everyone here having IVF or planning IVF at some point?
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Wed 16-Apr-08 17:08:05
Rah, bloody hell, you must be going out of your mind!! What other reason could there be for a lower temp? Have you turned the heating off? Sleeping with the window open? Disturbed sleep? Or do you feel like you are about to get your period? I so hope that you are pregnant. Sorry I didn’t reply straight away to your text, my phone was in my bag on silent.
The reflexology went ok, I am not sure I will do it again, I don’t think I got anything out of it really. I was constantly second guessing what areas she was working, and expecting to feel things. She did say that the tone of my feet was yellow, which suggests that I am “totally fed up. Resentful, indignant and displeased. Have a jaundiced view of life" I'd say that pretty much sums me up right now.
I am interested to try the cranial sacral therapy, and a friend said that someone in the area does it. So looking into that now.

EachPeach, me, personally, the thought of IVF scares me witless. I go back and forth on it, almost daily. Dh would definitely want us to go down that route if/when the time comes, but I have so much anxiety about it.

Nomore, does it feel like the time is dragging? I keep thinking that by the time I get back from my holiday you could be up the duff grin

<adopts BarryIsland accent> I’m not going to lie to you Gill, I’m as pleased as punch that my bright and shiny disposition is rubbing off on you grin and you are feeling positive! We will all get there – and when we do, oh how sweet is it going to be!

Anyone seen Coggy???

Ok….. I need to ask… and I need to all to promise that in a week you won’t laugh at me and remind me of this moment of weakness. But. This morning I woke up, got out of bed and almost fell flat on my face. I was totally dizzy and my balance had gone. Dh needed to help me walk to the kitchen, I was all over the shop. I felt really nauseous, and could only slowly eat my cereal. Is 7dpo too early to get pregnancy symptoms? Tell me off someone, for being so ruddy daft. I feel better now, still a tad fragile, but better.

To try and take my mind off it, and to get some fresh air in my lungs, dh took me to a farm out in the sticks. It was brilliant. I’ve been before with a friend and her daughter, but it was great to go with dh, and we both had fun feeding the animals. The baby goats are my absolute favourite – I reckon I could have stolen one wink
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Wed 16-Apr-08 21:48:55
Ready will you tell me off if I'm excited by your symptoms? Cause I am
eachpeach I am about to start ivf for the first time. Start the drugs next week.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By gillydaffodil on Thu 17-Apr-08 08:06:59
Ready, can't decide whether you want us to tell you off or to be excited so I'm going to do both.
1) Yes you are being daft girl, a loss of balance first thing in the morning is common
2) OMG, I too am excited, could you be?....

How are you feeling this morning? smile Love the Barry accent, you do it very well wink

Rah you must be so frustrated with the hospital angry. I really hope you are wrong about AF imminent arrival. Thanks for the offer to answer some IUI questions, I'll start scribbling them down in some sort of order and post them later (all flying round my head at the moment).

Ammy, many congratulations!! {grin]

Peach, if we don't succeed in our three IUI tries we should start IVF in 2009.

Hey Nomore, I did acupuncture but personally it wasn't for me and I almost resent the money I spent on it. I have read loads about keeping yourself warm in prep for IVF and using a hot water bottle and wheat bags to keep the womb warm before and after egg collection. No exercise either as it detracts blood flow to the key area that you want your body to be concentrating on. That’s what our fertility nurse said very briefly on the phone the other day when I asked about IUI too. At least this is cheap/free!

By the way, I think Coggy is on holiday in Kenya smile
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By RahRah1 on Thu 17-Apr-08 09:35:38
Morning guys.... My period arrived after I got home from work.

Totally gutted and being 15DPO I was totally over excited. I was try to contain it but not very well! I'm normally only 12 LP.

So, husband rushed out for emergency chocolate and wine... and I indulged myself rotten. We decided to buy a new TV and go to Italy on holiday in August. So if we are offered IVF we will start it when we get back off holiday and have some relaxing time away from treatment. Although I want to start ASAP, mentally I think you need to be in the right place and I feel slightly crushed at the moment. After we lost our last baby I just thought it had been a blip that we had to try so long for him, then after the time started flying past I never dreamt IUI would not work. So I need to be positive that IVF will work, but how will we cope if it doesn't? So we need to build a life without always considering children I suppose and enjoy ourselves as a couple.

Anyway enough of my misery... least I have you guys that all understand.... I also have some good mates off Sands as well that are going through similar things, so know I'm not the only one. ....

Well off to indulge some more and venture into All Saints and treat myself to a new outfit... I suppose thats the good thing about not having children, you can buy and go where ever you want without having to consider anyone else! Well I might buy DH a new shirt hmm

Take Care all and have a good day!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Thu 17-Apr-08 11:59:11
Kenya!! Of course she is – d’oh! Silly me. blush

Good morning ladies… Rah, I am so sorry that the iui was not a success – but I think you are right to have a holiday, and a break from treatment. Honestly, there is plenty of time for treatment – and who knows, a break away might just be all you need?

I am completely in agreement about having to build a life that doesn’t automatically assume children will be in it. It’s got to be the safest way? Surely? It was on the other thread, I think – I would rather be in my wonderful marriage with just the two of us, than have a child but an unhappy marriage. I realise I am lucky, I adore my dh and if I got to live a long and happy life with him by my side, nothing else really matters. Anything extra is a bonus! Ok, sorry, I realise I have gone all mushy and soppy – and you are all probably rolling your eyes at me… but what I am trying (badly) to say is – while I know it is bloody hard for us, we perhaps all need to take a step back and enjoy what we do have.

<gets ready to be pelted with rotten fruit for being such a gigantic pain in the arse>

Ok… so I know I am being totally self-absorbed, and you probably all hate me… but it happened again this morning. Light headed, balance all over the place, nausea (until I ate something and then I felt better) – I want you to tell me off for even contemplating the p word. I have concluded it is probably because I have been having problems with my ears/jaw lately – totally bunged up after a cold. But why do I start to feel better (although still fragile) as the day progresses??? Argh.

Slap me. Someone. Quick.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By rattling on Thu 17-Apr-08 12:23:13
Ready - If you are getting dizzy because of pressure in your ears due to being bunged up it will get better as you move around.

That is the official line I am taking - we won't go into what I'm really thinking as that way disapointment (or perhaps on-line partying wink) lies.

Rah - so sorry IUI failed again. Really sensible plan to get away from ttc for a bit before you take the next treatment step.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Thu 17-Apr-08 12:24:28
Excellent Rattling, I needed that. Phew. Sanity has returned.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By EachPeachPearPlum on Thu 17-Apr-08 13:21:04
Ready - I've had at least 3 months where I've been convinced I was pregnant because of things like being really hungry or waking up early or feeling nauseous and sadly there is often another explanation. Would be really exciting if it was the real thing for you though!

Rah - I'm really sorry your IUI didn't work. It must be horrible to have to go through all that invasive stuff sad. A relaxing holiday sounds like a lovely idea though.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By RahRah1 on Thu 17-Apr-08 14:01:48
Thanks guys... ((((GROUP HUGS))))

Ready I have no sanity left.... so you might not want to here what I think! LOL grin

I'm off out with some friends at the weekend. So just changed our reservations to a lovely expensive restaurant in town...UMMMM.... and good wines!

That reminds me to cancel our previous booking... must get right on to it!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By kd73 on Fri 18-Apr-08 08:29:55
Rah - So sorry about the IUI. sad
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Fri 18-Apr-08 09:04:42
(((Rah))) Sorry IUI didn't work
Ready How are you this morning?
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By gillydaffodil on Fri 18-Apr-08 09:46:49
I'm really sorry to hear the IUI didn't work Rah sadsad. You still sound pretty sane to me though, planning a holiday, shopping or having a hair cut is always my solution to clear my head and prepare for the next steps. Italy will be wonderful, very jealous I haven't been back for years smile. Hope you had a great night out too!

Ready SLAP SLAP with a wet fish. Has that done it blush? I second Rattling on the ear balance thing. Its worse in the mornings because you have been lying down and if you are bunged up then its making things worse. When I have a cold the mornings are truly horrid. I suffer with my sinuses and until I have a cup of tea and sit up in bed for a bit for all the stuffiness to subside I don't feel remotely human. However, I hope that I am talking garbage regarding your situation and I am totally wrong smile.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By herbaceous on Fri 18-Apr-08 10:48:00
Hello girls. I need a haircut too. But I need someone to take me in hand and tell me what it should be like. And then do it, making me look young and stylish. Maybe we should all agree to go one weekend, then post up 'before and after' pics!

I've now got a list of hospitals to choose from from the doc, for the next stage. Something of a Hobsons choice - Barts, Whipps Cross, or Homerton. I'll probably do the latter, as I've been there before and have yet to die of MRSA.

BUT... now cd29 (usually 28), no sign of AF, weird cramps, tingly boobs, feel a bit sick and have no energy. Obviously up the duff. I'm not going to test for at least a week.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Fri 18-Apr-08 12:36:31
Herby - huge fingers crossed (well, not HUGE fingers, that would be ungainly, but you know what I mean) for you.

CD2 for me. So obviously I'm down in the dumps and feeling like a bloated elephant.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By herbaceous on Fri 18-Apr-08 12:41:35
Oh no! You were my symptom twin - pains up fanjo, etc. Realistically, I think I'll be joining you soon.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Fri 18-Apr-08 14:11:35
sorry LL
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Fri 18-Apr-08 15:23:57
Yes, I can cross 'pains up fanjo' off my "odd symptoms that could signify pregnancy" list. Only 927 other symptoms on the list remain.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Fri 18-Apr-08 16:47:50
Rah, sounds brilliant, what time are you picking me up? wink Where abouts in Italy are you thinking of? It’ll be toasty in August grin

EachPeach, oh don’t worry – I know that I am not preggers. I’ve been playing this game for far too long now to think anything of symptoms grin

Nomore, this morning, light-headed (damn these ears of mine!) until I ate showered and ate something.

Gilly, sounds spot on what you said about having a cup of tea etc – I am going to try some olive oil in my ears – someone recommended it… so will try that.

Does anyone think that my balance problems could stem from my reflexology on Monday? Or would the reaction have been quicker?

Herby and Lottie - pmsl at ‘pains up fanjo’ grin

Herby, fingers crossed for you.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By herbaceous on Fri 18-Apr-08 16:57:10
Got a weekend of heavy duty boozing with old pals I haven't seen for years, so suppose I should do a test. But if it's negative, I'll get into a right mood and not enjoy myself. But if I did ovulate as early as I suspect I did, I'd be five weeks. But then there's no shared blood supply at that stage is there...

What am I saying. <hits self over head with mallet> Aunty flo will be a comin' up that path any minute now.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Fri 18-Apr-08 16:59:51
Er. No testing!! If you are preggers... then a few drinks with friends will not affect the baby. And even if you tested, and got a bfn, that wouldn't guarantee you were not up the duff!! So <ready puts foot down> no testing, and enjoy your night out! <quickly hugs so as not to sound too nasty>
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By herbaceous on Fri 18-Apr-08 17:20:32
OK! I've just eaten an orange, and feel sick.

You girls are just great. Hope heads and tubes clear, haircuts are great, holiday plans just get better and better, and no smug parents spoil our weekends.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Fri 18-Apr-08 17:58:34
I've put a pic on my profile grin - perfect portrait of moi grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Fri 18-Apr-08 18:40:49
ready love your pic
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Fri 18-Apr-08 18:54:17
grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Fri 18-Apr-08 18:58:26
How's your knitting going now?
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Fri 18-Apr-08 19:23:31
Thank you so much for your emergency purl help grin (Could I sound nerdier? wink) - I am almost finished with the front of my cushion... and really motoring too. I bought the DebbieBliss Beginner book yesterday and want to knit the sachets next grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By soosy on Fri 18-Apr-08 19:53:51
Have found you Nomoremagnolia, can I join you too, esp as I saw the magic words knitting! Have been trying for quite a while, think I have had 18 months off whilst I had DS but it has been fairly full on for the last 10 years. Currently undergoing FET natural cycle cd8 scan today.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By soosy on Fri 18-Apr-08 19:54:54
i am sorry for my C**p mistake I shall leave you ladies in peace.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Fri 18-Apr-08 20:01:38
No need to apologise Soosy
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By jess1996 on Fri 18-Apr-08 20:52:13
Hello, thought I'd just pop in and let you know that I had my 12 week scan last week and all was well. After 18 months of ttc, one missed miscarriage and an ectopic pregnancy I was beginning to think I'd never get to this point. After a very tense couple of months I'm beginning to relax a bit (although I'm still a little bit nervous).

I have tried to keep up with the thread from time to time. I'm sorry to hear your IUI didn't work rah. I have my fingers crossed for your IVF. Hello to ready, nomore, herbaceous and anyone else who might remember me from a few months ago. This thread was really helpful for me when I was very depressed after my ep and struggling with ttc again and I am very grateful for all your support at that time smile.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Fri 18-Apr-08 21:00:17
Oh Jess - that is simply wonderful news!! I am so happy for you Look after yourself chick!!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Fri 18-Apr-08 21:36:14
Jess how fantastic
soosy Have left you a msg on the IVF thread
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By gillydaffodil on Sat 19-Apr-08 12:53:15
Jess so pleased to hear your great news! smile

Ready I love your pic and well done for 'motoring away' on the knitting. I've posted pictures of my completed baby blanket. Now wondering what to do next.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Sat 19-Apr-08 14:27:12
Oooh Gilly, your knitting is brilliant envy - it's going to be a while before I post up a pic of my cushion - but I WILL get there grin

Oh... 10dpo today, and clear but signs that I am not preggers. Oh well. Damn sinuses. grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Sat 19-Apr-08 15:29:38
gilly your blanket is lovely See you're reading Nigel Slater - I'm a big fan of his books, I love how he writes so enthusiastically about food!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By herbaceous on Mon 21-Apr-08 12:49:02
Hello girls. Hope you all had a wizard weekend. Mine was highly boozy, catching up with old friends all back in London from various parts of the world.

AF still not here. If I did ov on cd10, or so, it either means a luteal phase of 22 days, or I'm up duff. Keep feeling AF-type oddness, and rushing off to lav, but nothing there. Feel quite sick, too. And off red wine. Unheard of!

I think I may have to POAS tomorrow morning. Then spend half an hour in tears at the BFN, I'll be bound.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By RahRah1 on Mon 21-Apr-08 16:16:24
Hi girlie.... well I nursing the hangover from hell!! I went out Saturday night and got in at 8am and didn't finish being sick until 8pm! I have never been so sick! GRRRRR

Many congratulations Jess, so pleased your scan went well. Glad you are starting to relax a bit. Make sure you update us on that 20 week scan!

herbaceous - have my fingers crossed for you. Hurry up with that test!!!

Hello to everyone else... I'm off to rest my delicate head again... (off Sick today)
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By herbaceous on Tue 22-Apr-08 09:52:02
Oh for fucking god's buggering sake. Did a test this morning, absolutely convinced I was pregnant - had even worked out when it would be due - and it was negative. Gutted.

And what does it mean. My last 9 cycles have been 28-29 days, and now I'm CD33 and counting. And I reckon I O'd on CD10, or so. Christ. Don't tell me it's the menopause.

Told DP by text this morning, and he replied 'oh, I had a good feeling, but was trying to keep calm'. Which made me blub. Life is SHIT.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Tue 22-Apr-08 10:16:12
(((herby)))
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Tue 22-Apr-08 10:37:35
Herby, Are you sure you ovulated as early as 10? It's not the menopause. Don't even think about the menopause. I would say wait until a week late, forget when you might have ovulated, just go by your normal cycle length - and then test again. If still nothing, blood test. Sorry you are going through this. Hope that it is a good thing in the end though. Fingers crossed.

All over for me again I am afraid. Period arrived last night. Not sure whether or not to count yesterday as CD1? For some reason I have it in my head that if you start bleeding after lunch time then it doesn't count - but I think it is entirely possible that I am clutching at straws to try and avoid an 11 day luteal phase shock

Grumpy. Cheesed off. Sore belly.

And to top it off, found a poor starling dead on my patio this morning. I cried my eyes out at having to put him in the bin - if it was that flamin cat there'll be trouble!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By herbaceous on Tue 22-Apr-08 10:48:07
Just embarrassed myself at work. DP just sent me a bunch of flowers, and it made be burst into tears. Natch, I can't say why...

I only think I O'd at day 10 due to masses of EWCM. Maybe it was one of those annovulatory cycles that apparently happen occasionally and don't mean I'm barren and hopeless.

As for CD counting, I always seem to start AF in the evening, on a Thursday!, and count that as CD1. Don't suppose it matters, really, as long as the system is consistent...
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By RahRah1 on Tue 22-Apr-08 10:51:07
Oh Herby..... like Ready said forget about your ovulation and look at your normal cycle length. I was 3 days late this month and knew exactly when I ovulated as IUI, but still late! Just a major head doer! I still have my fingers crossed for you in case its just not showing up yet on tests, because the best sign of pregnancy in my eyes is lack of a period!

Ready sorry its CD1 for you again... GRRRRRangry .... its not fair!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By RahRah1 on Tue 22-Apr-08 10:52:31
HOORAY for Herby's hubbie.... what a lovely DH you have!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By herbaceous on Tue 22-Apr-08 11:00:02
He's so wonderful. I sometimes feel sadder that I'm letting him down than anything else. He's 10 years younger than me, and could be having hundreds of babies with a younger, more sprightly lady, but instead he sticks with barren old me. But he loves me! He tells me every day.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By EachPeachPearPlum on Tue 22-Apr-08 11:11:54
Sorry herbaceous and Ready sad angry

I'm on CD3 here too, so it's misery all round!

Herby - your work colleagues probably just think you had a big argument or something and he sent you flowers to apologise smile
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Tue 22-Apr-08 12:22:35
How lovely of your dh Herby... but I will not allow you to say that he could be off having hundreds of babies with someone else. He wouldn't want that!!! I too feel saddest at letting down my dh, so it is probably wrong of me to tell you off for thinking such things. But you mustn't.
Rah is right... lack of period is the best sign of all. Fingers crossed.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Tue 22-Apr-08 12:23:02
Sorry you are back to the beginning EachPeach
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Tue 22-Apr-08 12:36:51
(((Ready Herby EachPeach*)))

*Ready
I'd count today as cd1
Herby Your DH obviously loves you
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Tue 22-Apr-08 12:37:37
angry at random bold/starry mistake
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By herbaceous on Tue 22-Apr-08 12:37:50
Ready and Rah. You're so lovely. Both with big troubles of your own, and you always take time to make me feel better. I hate the way this TTC, or FTC, lark makes me so self-obsessed...
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By RahRah1 on Tue 22-Apr-08 12:52:36
WOW Herby a Toy Boy! You lucky sod!
My hubbie is a year and a half younger than me, so I always see him as being my toy boy..lol! Yours sounds very sprightly and utterly in love with you!

I'm self obsessed too! It can't be helped! So don't worry about that!

EachPeachPearPlum - sorry to hear your on your next cycle.... its just poo isn't it! angry
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Tue 22-Apr-08 13:09:03
Hey, we are all in this together!! I know that I would have gone completely potty if I didn't have support here.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By gillydaffodil on Tue 22-Apr-08 14:18:02
Herby, my heart goes out to you hun. What an amazing DP you've got - give him a smooch from us! DO NOT call yourself barren or menopausal- those words are strictly forbidden from this thread. Self obsessed is fine though as you are in very good and equally self obsessed company!

I have a toy boy too (1 year younger). He says he likes being married to an older woman who keeps him on the straight and narrow!hmm

Sorry to hear af is here Ready and EachPeach. Not fair sad
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Tue 22-Apr-08 14:40:45
My DH is a year younger than me too
(sorry for calling your DP your DH earlier Herbyblush)
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By herbaceous on Tue 22-Apr-08 15:11:01
That's OK! I'm working on him becoming an H rather than a P!

I've been sent into a right spin by all this. I think it might just be the final straw, adding to

- all that nonsense with biopsies on my boob last month
- feeling the pressure to conceive in the next few months, as - we have to give up in order to adopt
- worried the adoption people will find out that I've been referred to a consultant for internal tubing investigations
- my deputy being promoted beneath me, taking my responsibilities, because I admitted to boss that I'm going for adoption
- my dad having alzheimers
- my sis being due her third, perfect, trouble-free baby in three weeks

Gosh. When I write it all down, it's a bit heavy duty!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By EachPeachPearPlum on Tue 22-Apr-08 15:12:33
My DH is less than a week older than me so it looks like I just missed out on a toyboy wink

You are all really nice! I wish I'd joined the thread ages ago now. Feeling quite depressed today but it's nice to know there are other people in the same boat (although obviously I wish you weren't if that makes sense).
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By EachPeachPearPlum on Tue 22-Apr-08 15:19:03
Sorry herbaceous - cross posted, but you have my sympathy - it sounds like you've had a really crap week/month/year sad
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Tue 22-Apr-08 18:39:32
Y'see it's times like this that I feel I ought to bury my head in shame. My life is far from easy, but crumbs - I moan enough plenty as it is, could you imagine if I had to deal with real issues. blush
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Tue 22-Apr-08 18:41:13
Big hugs Herb, I so hope it works out for you, if not this cycle, then really ruddy soon! x

Oh... and is it weird enough that there was a pattern emerging about being first born... I too have a toyboy. Only 6 months, but still. hmm
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By rattling on Wed 23-Apr-08 10:22:28
Yep, age gap here too - do you think infertile women are drawn to virile young men? DH is 4 years younger - though according to the doctors he is the problem sad, so maybe infertile young men are drawn to virile older women grin.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By herbaceous on Wed 23-Apr-08 10:33:42
More brownie points for DP - he took me out for dinner last night, too. He rules.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By gillydaffodil on Wed 23-Apr-08 13:56:41
He is definitely a star Herby smile

Rattling I too think it is young men with dodgy sperm counts that are attracted to us fertile women grin Are we all first born? I am (and an only). DH is first born too.

Rah, I have finally had a chance to jot down my IUI questions. I know that every clinic is different but I would love to hear your experiences if that’s OK blush.
- Did they advice how best to prepare yourself re: diet, alcohol consumption etc..
- Where you OK getting time off work or could you build scans etc.. into your day?
- How many times where you scanned before the actual IUI day?
- Did the scans have to be at set times?
- When you did it with Clomid did they advice how to stop over producing eggs? If I produce more than two the treatment will be cancelled sad
- If they suspected you would ovulate at the weekend did they give you the injection to bring on ovulation early?
- How long did the actual procedure take on the day and did DH stay with you throughout?
- Did they advice how long to take off from work after treatment?
- Does is hurt compared to an HSG?
- What is the best way to keep sane?

I can understand if you don’t want to post some of the answers so email me if you wish gilliaspry at hotmail dot com

Thank you smile
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By kd73 on Wed 23-Apr-08 19:02:29
To my friends on MN, I think I might be ....

Please cross your fingers that this one sticks

Thank youx
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Wed 23-Apr-08 19:04:49
kd got my fingers as tightly crossed as I possibly can for you
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Wed 23-Apr-08 20:11:15
kd, everything crossed for you sweets. Take care of yourself won't you - wrap yourself in cotton wool grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By gillydaffodil on Wed 23-Apr-08 21:00:31
KD crossing really hard for you hun smile
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By herbaceous on Thu 24-Apr-08 10:40:58
Fingers, but not fanjo, crossed for you here too. I've been trawling back to see your story - and thus calculate how 'deserving' you are! - but can't find it. Do tell.

As expected, AF started yesterday evening. But it's a weird one. V painful, but just some half-hearted brown goo. I'm not imagining I'm pg, just want my cycle to be normal again.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By kd73 on Thu 24-Apr-08 20:00:48
Thanks ladies, I contacted my GP today and have been referred to the Early Pregnancy Unit today. I have a scan booked for next Thursday and if viable pg they will monitor me and consider a trial involving baby aspirin and heparin injections daily. In the meantime, here is my story of heartache: -

Oct 04 - 31 yrs old & thought I would like to consider starting a family as happy settled in relationship with dp
July 06 - Went to GP as nothing happened yet - referred to hospital
Mar 07 - Laporoscopy & cystectomy carried out
April 07 - Unexplained infertility diagnosed clomid recommended - decided to wait til Aug before commencing clomid
June 07 - Conceived naturally grin
Aug 07 - Miscarried sad
Nov 07 - 2 days before holiday BFP - cried all through holiday so scared
Xmas 07 - Had a slight show and in alot of pain, no scanning facilities until after New Year
Jan 08 - Scan revealed 2nd miscarriage sad sad - advised they will investigate after the next one!

Herb I am sorry bitch arrived and even more irratating when she's not behaving normal angry

Ready, Rah, Gilly, No more & Herb - Please pray for me and the bean and in return I'll hope lady luck lays with you at night!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Fri 25-Apr-08 09:03:49
((kd))
It really breaks my heart to hear the stories of people on this thread. In some ways I'm glad I have never conceived rather than had to go through the loss of a much longed for baby. I don't know how you guys carry on, I really admire you all.
I have been and will continue to pray for you and your bean kd
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By gillydaffodil on Fri 25-Apr-08 09:39:36
Same here KD. You and bean have been in my prayers and thoughts since I saw your post.

Apologies for the religious post:
My BF sent me a prayer card out of the blue yesterday. She is one of the few RL people who knows what we are going through TTC but she can be rather nonplussed by our catholic upbringing too so I was very touched. She managed to find the patron saint of children (and unborn children in particular); childbirth; mothers (and expectant mothers in particular) - Saint Gerard Maiella and it has a nice prayer on the back. I know some of you may think it is mumbo jumbo but I almost burst into tears when I opened the envelope blush
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By herbaceous on Fri 25-Apr-08 10:28:26
People can be so lovely. I'm, embarrassingly, in a local am dram group, and when the ladies found out about my last-but-one miscarriage, one of them gave me some healing crystals, and another one a talisman of the patron saint of fertility (or some such), and another said she'd pray for me. I don't actually believe in any of it, but the fact that people care is what makes the difference.

I saw my GP yesterday to ask him how much he has to tell the adoption people, re my investigations into why I'm not conceiving. He said he cannot lie to them, but will let me see what he says. To speed the process, he gave me a form to enable me to have an HSG privately. Can't decide whether to keep my appt at the fertility unit at the local hospital (22 May), or just get the HSG done. I'm wondering if the fertility unit might give me clomid, not that I need it, I don't think, as seem to be ovulating. Though maybe not last cycle. blah blah... Christ I'm a rambling fool.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Fri 25-Apr-08 10:29:14
Gilly That is so lovely of your friend. I don't think you should apologise for the religious-ness of a post, we accept other people casting fertility spells and all sorts! :P After all you're not trying to convert everyone (are you?)
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Fri 25-Apr-08 10:34:16
herby That's what I mean - people do what they believe in - I pray for people but I have a friend who gave me a rose quartz (to help me love myself I think? just googled it) Anyway - it's the fact she's doing what she can to help me that matters. ps used to do am-dram and loved it, really miss it now!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By gillydaffodil on Fri 25-Apr-08 10:43:00
Definitely not!! I have been married to a rather proud ‘heathen’ for over 10 years and I have not converted him - married in a Catholic church and will tolerate the children being left footers that’s as far as I’ve got with him and I am not going any further. However, I have convinced him to attend with me a service at Westminster Cathedral on the 10th May to commemorate special wedding anniversaries. I think that’s as close as I’m going to get him to renew vows in a church again! He is very tolerant of my belief though smile

Herby, yes people can be very sweet and it is the fact that they are thinking of you that counts. Is your card of St Gerard Maiella? I have been bending the ear of St Theresa (my mum’s fave saint) for so long now that she is probably glad I have found another saint!!! grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Fri 25-Apr-08 11:13:35
My mum keeps praying to St Jude for me! (the patron saint of hopeless cases/lost causes for the uninitiated)
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By EachPeachPearPlum on Fri 25-Apr-08 11:19:31
If it's ok to be a bit religious, then I just wanted to say that I've been praying for all of you too. (I'm a Christian but not a Catholic)

Hope no-one's offended by that, but it looked like you wouldn't be and I always feel better when I know people are praying for me.

kd73 - I don't think we've 'met' but I really hope your scan went well yesterday and everything goes ok with this pregnancy.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By gillydaffodil on Fri 25-Apr-08 11:34:39
I've been looking for a St Jude prayer card!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Fri 25-Apr-08 12:06:48
As someone who is not religious, I want to say that no-one should ever feel that they can't post religious things - we all share what makes us feel good in the hope that someone else can benefit too - and if that happens to be religious, that's fine with me.

It's been said, but again, it's more that people are thinking of us that really counts, than their method. If everyone wants to pray for me, I am totally fine with it grin

I am fairly low at the moment... so if someone could pray to the patron saint of ear infections, I would be most grateful.

I kid, of course. I'm really not trying to mock or anything.

Kd, fingers crossed for you, you give me hope.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By kd73 on Fri 25-Apr-08 20:40:01
Thanks everyone.

I've had a tough day, having received a crap email from a "friend". Unfortunately it appears that a long and dear friendship has reached an end and although the writings been on the cards its still sad sad sad

Whilst I pray we will all be rewarded with our patience, Ready I will pray to St. Cornelius who apparently is the man to turn to for earaches and ear infections.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By nomoremagnolia on Sun 27-Apr-08 16:06:26
(((kd))) sometimes friendships run their course but it's never easy.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By RahRah1 on Mon 28-Apr-08 11:49:11
Hi all.... sorry for not being around over the weekend... had loads on and been so busy!

KD - Many congratulations... have my fingers and toes crossed for you. When is your first scan?

Gilly - Blimey you have a lot of questions
Happy to help

- My clinic had very little advice, when ever I needed something I asked and they would tell me then. From their point of view everyone is different and has different requirements and they just inform people as they go along.

- No advise given on diet... we said we were talking supplements but they were not very interested and said there is no evidence that any of them make any difference except for folic acid. They do ask for you to stop smoking and reduce alcohol within the recommended limits for adults.

- I work for myself so I was luck in terms of being able to take time off when I needed it. But its very much in their timescales and sometimes I would find myself at the hospital 4 days in a week. Which was very time consuming. In addition the waiting times can be horrendous and I would often find myself waiting 1hr just to have my scan. Which wound me up a treat. So take plenty of time off work when you go for your appointments... but maybe your clinic might be better in their time management.

- In terms of scanning it differed every month. I would get scanned on day 5 as routine and then scanned again from day 10. They would then normally scan me every 2 days from day 10 until I was ready for the IUI. However in usual Rah fashion I did not ovulate on day 14, so often went back again and again.. So normally they would look to scan on day 5,10,12 and 14... but I often had more scans than that. angry

- Scans were never at a set time for me, only the last one before IUI. They had to be done so many hours before the weekend, incase I could have my HCG and then IUI

- No advise when taking clomid on egg production. I was just given the clomid and then my eggs grew. I was lucky as never had over 2 eggs big enough in a cycle, so never over produced eggs. They say the best result is 2 eggs over a size 17.

- When I ovulated over the weekend and my eggs were not big enough beforehand, they abandoned my cycle. GRRRR But after taking clomid this did not happen, as clomid accelerated everything and I was ready on both occasions before the weekend. On one occasion they had to give me my HCG and IUI within 24hrs instead of the recommended 40hrs, as otherwise they would have to abandon again.

- Dh stayed with me through out IUI. DH needs to produce his sample 2hrs plus before IUI for them to do their thing on it. Then you would get called in for the IUI. The IUI itself did not take too long. They just use the same thing as a smear instrument and then put a small tube into your womb and inject the sperm up. Its not uncomfortable, in fact its not far off a smear test. Surprisingly OK! Basically you don't have to worry about that bit, promise!

- They don't advise any time off after the treatment, they leave that for you to decide. Some people go straight back to work afterwards. I always took the afternoon off after the procedure and had a good chill out on the sofa and a good movie and some chocolate.

- I've not had a HCG (I had a lap & dye) and was asleep... wink... but the IUI does not hurt. I only had problems with my last one as they could not get into the womb, they were at it for 45minutes and then decided to squirt it up into the cervix instead of the womb. shock as I had obviously got myself a bit tense. GRRR But she said its very rare for that to happen. But if its going to happen it will happen to me hmm

- Sorry I'm not sane... grin...
To be honest after the first treatment I was convinced I would be pregnant and even felt a bit pregnant the moment they had done he treatment... I did hardly any work for 2 weeks and then the disappointment was huge. So after that I just continued as normal and tried to manage the disappointment. So I think my best tip is to try not the think about the treatment after you have had it and just carry on as normal. Try and organise a few things to take your mind off it and go out with friends. Also I found it quite hard everyone knowing and then having to tell them it had not worked. As everyone has a story of someone they know and it worked first time etc.... Also IUI has a relatively low success rate, but the rate goes up the more times you have it. Therefore put you hope into the 3rd cycles rather than the first one and then the second one IYKWIM... so basically expect it to work more on the 3rd go and