by not tipping my hairdresser

(64 Posts)
BooCanary Sat 19-Oct-13 13:10:18

I've been going to the same hairdressers for years.
She is lovely - she is not only a great hairdresser but we get on really well and I really look forward to seeing her.

She's not cheap (£60 - 80 for colour, cut and dry/straighten) but worth it IMO.

BUT I have never tipped her. I think she gets paid enough. If she was getting paid £30 - fair enough, but it seems daft (and a bit patronising) to tip her a few quid on top of the £80 I've just paid. My DM tips her hairdresser but she only pays about £15 for a quick cut.

AIBU?

unlucky83 Mon 21-Oct-13 13:34:31

I stand corrected - tips are now not used to make up minimum wage - was banned in Oct 2009 - up to then it was common practice (my partner sold his restaurant in 2008 - so not up on the rules anymore...)

Lillielangtry Sun 20-Oct-13 22:24:22

I think it's possible they we're influenced by US culture - with regard to tipping and so many other things!

However, it's useful to remember that tipping in America is completely accepted and part of the culture - diners factor in 20%+ of the bill before they even leave their apartment.

In the UK, all employees are subject to a national minimum wage. Employers are not allowed to factor in projected tips to make up that wage.

It's quite different in the US. Some states enforce a minimum wage but others don't. In those that don't, some wait staff earn just $1/ hour and rely on tips to boost their income to a decent level. Even in those states that have a minimum wage, it's often far lower than ours.

WMittens Sun 20-Oct-13 18:39:00

I tip most any service, but I'm American

As evidenced by missing the 'al' off 'almost'.

Crowler Sun 20-Oct-13 17:05:55

I tip most any service, but I'm American so perhaps it's in my blood. I always tip for hair. Definitely. Unless it's the owner, in which case it's considered rude.

I tip the Ocado man, cab drivers, babysitters (I round up), etc.

KCumberSandwich Sun 20-Oct-13 13:49:23

i very rarely tip anyone. i go out of my way in my shop job to help many people and am satisfied with a thankyou- i've never had a tip. if a hairdresser does a good job of my hair i will tell her gow grateful i am and that she's done a lovely job, i am polite and thankful to waiting staff and taxi drivers and if i feel they have gone above and beyond i will make sure their employer knows how good they have been etc but i don't tip.

Nanny0gg Sun 20-Oct-13 13:41:37

Products are very cheap wholesale and hairdressers make a nice amount per customer

Cheap products are very cheap wholesale. And bear in mind, that they have to cater for every possible hair colour, so they carry stock that they may rarely or never use.
And it depends on your definition of 'nice amount'.
I will concur that if they're standing cutting all day, they can get through lots of people and they're not using much in the way of product, so it can be relatively lucrative. If they're colouring it's an entirely different matter.

Wealthy hairdressers tend to be salon owners, not stylists.

unlucky83 Sun 20-Oct-13 12:48:39

I don't tip my hairdresser. I don't tip anyone who has trained to do their job.

I do tip taxis and waiting staff. shock
Taxi drivers (in London) have to do the Knowledge and some waiters are trained (you could get a C&G in Food and beverage service -probably a NVQ now ) ...not all are student plate carriers...

In big chains tips (especially ones on cards) are often used to top salaries up to minimum wage...and if you pay by card the business pays a charge for the use of the service (so (depending on the contract) a debit card costs 20-30p per transaction and a credit card a % of the total -usually 2-3%...)
I never leave tips on a card - hopefully cash will go straight to the staff...but not necessarily.
The rules on tax etc are complicated -if they get cash in their hand the waiter is responsible for declaring it and paying tax on it.
If is pooled and distributed the business is responsible for the tax (and maybe NI!)
When my DP had a restaurant we took the card tips out of the cash and shared it out at the end of the night - making sure the wash ups and junior chefs got a share too...(the business were subsidising the card payments) I got conflicting advice from HMRC how to deal with them ...whether we were liable for paying tax/NI on them or not...
On big parties we added 12% optional service - and that did go straight to the staff...
Years ago I was Head Chef of a posh, expensive restaurant - (foolishly) had a bit of a thing with one of the waiters - was gutted to find out that when it was busy he was earning more than I did! -they did declare it/pay tax - but not NI - he was clearing £300+ per week in tips on top of his wages ...
(Before anyone thinks - so what he was earning more? - he worked less hours, had more or less zero responsibility -whereas I was responsible for a brigade of 10, menu planning, ordering, budgets and eg when we gave two people food poisoning I could have been personally liable for a £20K + fine (we were found not to be at fault - caused by a contaminated duck liver - in fact we came out of it fantastically well - if we had not done everything more than absolutely right we could have easily poisoned 30+ with just the livers - any cross contamination it could have been 100s)

BTW I never tipped hairdressers -didn't know you did until I worked in a posh hairdressers (cafe) - but I cut my own hair - I do tip the hairdresser who does my DDs hair - not only for putting up with DD1s wriggling when younger - but they both (esp DD1) have really thick curly hair -I think they more than earn the £7-10 for a dry cut ...

HappyMummyOfOne Sun 20-Oct-13 11:49:07

Products are very cheap wholesale and hairdressers make a nice amount per customer so at a salon I dont tip, just pay the price they charge like in a shop. I tend to prefer a mobile hairdresser as more convenient and do tip my current one as she charges so little and its a huge saving compared to going to the local hairdressers.

I dont think its mean not to tip, you are already paying the price of the service.

I tend to show appreciation in gifts so do buy school staff as they have a huge influenence in DS's daily life and hospital staff when my sister needed care etc.

x2boys Sun 20-Oct-13 11:47:41

I don't think its being tight not to tip you are already paying for a service I went to America many years ago and thought there tipping system was ridiculous for example you had to tip a doller everytime you bought a drink otherwise the barman would nt serve you again!

MalcolmTuckersMistress Sun 20-Oct-13 11:46:19

Never tip hairdressers. In fact I didn't realise until a few years ago people did!

x2boys Sun 20-Oct-13 11:41:46

IM a nurse too la guardia we get lots of chocolates not all that keen on chocolates but its the thought that counts would prefer to be tipped with crisps am a big crisp fan!

samu2 Sun 20-Oct-13 11:37:11

I always tip mine. She is great with my hair, she is worth her weight in gold.

I also tip taxi drivers, bar staff, restaurants and delivery drivers at Xmas.

Twooter Sun 20-Oct-13 10:49:31

My hairdresser is one of my close friends. I know they are reasonably well off, so feel awkward tipping as it seems a bit patronising, but on the other hand it feels tight not to. Not sure what the right thing to do in this situation is.

WMittens Sun 20-Oct-13 10:31:28

pigsDOfly

Not sure why the tip should be shared WMittens. If the person receiving the all the tips is getting them because he or she has gone out of their way to give good service then the tips belong to them.

Why should someone who potentially doesn't give a damn about the customer end up receiving the same tip.

You missed the point that a discretionary tip is not always given as recognition of good service; some customers tip generously, some customers tip less so, some don't tip at all. Some posters have already said they don't tip (although that may be in context of hairdressers).

What if the person goes out of their way to provide an excellent service, but their covers are people who never tip whatever the level of service they receive? And the person who doesn't give a shit about giving a good service gets customers who automatically tip 20%? Is either situation fair?

I agree with Yetanotherrandomman that prices should be charged that allow decent wages to be paid to service staff.

WMittens Sun 20-Oct-13 10:24:21

Alisvolatpropiis

Tipping has been quite a part of British culture - otherwise posters wouldn't be commenting on how it must be an older generation thing.

Erm, my comparison was with the USA - you really think we're on a par? Egypt is another example, where you even have to tip a toilet attendant to be handed a roll of toilet paper; I've never seen that in the UK.

mummydarkling Sun 20-Oct-13 10:01:35

I tip the postie, bin men, taxi driver, waiters, manicurist, and hairdresser. Some just at Christmas with chocolates and a note of appreciation and some on an as you go basis with a cheery thank-you. I used to send gifts to teachers but my teenagers tell me it is too embarrassing now.

BooCanary Sun 20-Oct-13 09:32:47

Well I had my hair cut yesterday, and didn't tip!
I kept an eye out for what others were doing and did notice a few people tipping both hairdresser and 'hair washer'. I think maybe I should tip the hairwashing girl next time, if I can get over my tip etiquette worry, as she is only about 18 and probably gets paid peanuts. That being said, she did accidentally pull my hair as few times and almost scalded me!!!!

FamiliesShareGerms Sun 20-Oct-13 09:22:51

I agree, Dancergirl.

I tip taxi drivers as in "keep the change", and do similar in bars where there are waiting staff who bring you the bill on a little saucer (IYKWIM). I leave a cash tip for waiters, unless the bill has already had a gratuity added. Twice I have removed the gratuity from the bill and left cash instead because of how awful the meal was despite our lovely waitress.

The only time I have tipped at a salon is the person who did my hair, nails and makeup on my wedding day, because it really was over and above the normal service.

I never see our bin men or postmen, so why would I tip them at Xmas? (Especially as they are both pretty poor)

But generally I hate tipping - I don't know how much to tip, when to tip, whether to be discreet or open about handing over the cash... And I prefer to know up front how much a service is going to cost me, without additional costs on top.

Dancergirl Sun 20-Oct-13 09:07:42

Sorry if this sounds mean but I never tip my hairdresser or the shampoo girl. I know they don't get paid much but I like the price to be the price. I would prefer them to put up the price for everything by a pound or two to include the tip.

I also hate faffing around looking for the right coins and if you don't have change then what? So I just don't bother.

If nobody tipped there would be pressure to increase their wages.

marriedinwhiteisback Sun 20-Oct-13 09:00:11

I tip because my parents and grandparents tipped and it was what I was taught to do because it was right and proper to do it. I don't think it's a new thing at all. The only areas from which I persistently receive poor service are hospitals/nursing staff. That is from where I have witnessed more rudeness, curtness, basic discourtesy and lack of respect than from anywhere else at all. I am convinced it is because it is free at the point of delivery and there is no vested interest in providing a good service because because one's pay is dependent upon it.

SPBisResisting Sun 20-Oct-13 08:39:43

But they presumably do have to count it out in exactly the same way else their till won't balance

kali110 Sun 20-Oct-13 08:24:58

Allways tip my hairdresser.thats how they make a lot of their money. Not sure what i would do if it was the salon owner.
Some people hire chairs in salons too so dont make much without tips.

sleepywombat Sun 20-Oct-13 08:18:00

No they don't usually cringe (unless behind my back!), its just easier than making them count out the pennies/change. I guess its not phrased as a tip as such.

When I worked in a bar (in my younger, attractive days), I was often given extra money by customers to buy myself a drink. Our boss said that in that case, we could take a pound out of their change (because we weren't allowed to drink on the job), but it, along with all other tips, were pooled & shared out between staff at end of night. Good for me, because there was one girl who was a lot prettier & got a lot more tips!

SPBisResisting Sun 20-Oct-13 08:13:17

14p grin
I can add up, just couldn't remember what I'd put

SPBisResisting Sun 20-Oct-13 08:12:50

but then do they not say "thank you" and you cringe because it's 16p (or whatever)

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