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Mick and mairaid philpott.

(110 Posts)
thebody Tue 02-Apr-13 20:55:56

If you pour petrol over your house and light a match.

You know your 6 children are asleep upstairs and you make less effort to save them than your neighbours did.

If you try and smear another person with the crime.

If you habitually lie to avoid prosecution.

Why is that manslaughter?

I know posters will say they didn't mean it but seriously such reckless disregard for life is murderous.

pigletmania Tue 02-Apr-13 22:06:52

Meant if they did not torch teir house teir children would still be alive

QueenOfCats Tue 02-Apr-13 22:07:26

They are scum and I hope they rot in hell for what they've done.

thebody Tue 02-Apr-13 22:08:13

Hideous vile and evil.

pigletmania Tue 02-Apr-13 22:11:00

They are and have no sympathy for them, teir actions robbed 6 Chidren of their lives, they must have suffered the most horrific death with temperatures reaching over 500f sad my thoughts are with the family left behind, their remaing brothers and sisters

cakebaby Tue 02-Apr-13 22:13:04

Murder requires an INTENT to kill or cause GBH (but results in death). I suspect the CPS would not risk running a murder trial that could be lost if the jury could not reach a guilt beyond reasonable doubt verdict. Better charging decision is manslaughter as no intent has to be proved beyond reasonable doubt. Murder carries mandatory life sentence, manslaughter is discretionary.

Sentencing is tomorrow I think.

I am quite shocked they have all been found guilty, I expected it of mick philpott and Paul Mosley, but I thought mearaid might be embroiled in a controlling plan by mick.

It's all very very sad for the remaining siblings and the extended families.

I don't know what the sentences might be, but I think that the real justice will be meted out in prison.

AgentZigzag Tue 02-Apr-13 22:19:34

I'm not under any illusion that prison is anything but a brutal and isolating place, but it comes to something when you (and I don't mean you personally Babylon) only have other prisoners to mete out justice to such people.

babybarrister Tue 02-Apr-13 22:21:27

They can get same sentence for manslaughter as for murder. The difficulty with charging murder is that a jury might not have accepted they intended to kill or seriously maim and then they would have got off completely ....hmm

Hassled Tue 02-Apr-13 22:21:58

I have a huge amount of respect for Lisa Willis, the "mistress" who got herself and her kids out of what sounds like a hideous, abusive set up. She was only 17 when she moved in there - a child herself.

AgentZigzag Tue 02-Apr-13 22:24:46

If they're being sentenced tomorrow, is that quite unusual?

Isn't there normally a while between the two?

Yellowtip Tue 02-Apr-13 22:38:59

Only a delay if sentencing reports are required Zigzag.

The legal definition of murder has changed over the years, so what used to constitute murder no longer does so.

Tanith Tue 02-Apr-13 22:44:19

I've known of a similar case some years ago.

I absolutely believe that Mick Philpott thought he would rescue them and be hailed a hero - until the reality of the fire made him realise the terrible risk to himself. Few would-be hero arsonists understand how fast fire takes hold and spreads. The idiot in our case was overcome himself and died with the children before he could effect a rescue attempt.

So it was manslaughter. Stupid, reckless manslaughter, deserving of the highest penalty, but still manslaughter.

aquashiv Tue 02-Apr-13 22:51:33

What was there movtive? To get a bigger house, to receive the accolade of being a hero who saves thier family or to frame the ex mistress.
A fire is such an extreme thing to do.

I would wonder whether the sentences will run consecutively or concurrently when they are sentenced.

pigletmania Tue 02-Apr-13 22:54:04

Did he nt realise what would happen? Even if he did rescue them, did he b
Not think that he would be eventually found out hmm

FiveGoMadInDorset Tue 02-Apr-13 22:55:13

They will get or will be offered rule 45 which is vulnerable prisoners, which should protect them but not always.

Tanith Tue 02-Apr-13 22:56:37

He's not the first to do it. Or the first to accidentally kill his kids doing it.

It's made the headlines because of his unusual(!) family life.

pigletmania Tue 02-Apr-13 22:57:50

They did it to boost their own inflated egos, stupid idiots

Tortington Tue 02-Apr-13 22:58:24
pigletmania Tue 02-Apr-13 23:00:03

And te fact that 6 kids have died of course it's made national news, this does not happen frequently, ts te first I've heard of this kind

minouminou Tue 02-Apr-13 23:00:40

It seems the children all died of smoke inhalation, so (I hope) they wouldn't have known anything. That's some small comfort.

I guess they weren't real people to Philpott...just tools, things to control and use.

Darkesteyes Tue 02-Apr-13 23:03:17

Custardo i agee.
I dont recall seeing headlines saying "vile Product of Middle Class UK during the investigation into Harold Shipman!

pigletmania Tue 02-Apr-13 23:03:27

It seems te Chidren were just porns fr them to make money, the tears they cred were probably for themselves. Apparently after killing his chidren mr philpott seemed very calm and relaxed

AgentZigzag Tue 02-Apr-13 23:04:39

I want to make a cutting remark about what I think about that headline Custardo, but it wouldn't do how I feel justice.

Darkesteyes Tue 02-Apr-13 23:04:53

The way the Mail have used these poor children to make a point is vile and disrespectful.

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