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re Facebook and the pictures of James Bulger's killers

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A friend of mine on Facebook has posted the pictures of James Bulger's killers as they look 'today'. I have no idea where they have come from or if they are actually the two men involved (and I don't know if she knows any of this information).

AIBU to report these pictures? She has had loads of support under her post.

Cortana Fri 15-Feb-13 21:00:44

I think this is linked to the grief porn phenomena, wanting to be a part of it all, feeling directly involved somehow. Nevermind that Mrs Fergus herself has spoken out about how dangerous rumors like this are.

"Whatever the rights and wrongs of this case, if ever a lesson were needed, this is one that shows how dangerous it is to spread false rumours and gossip about something as serious as the identity of child killers."

FB is refusing to delete the photo I reported as it doesn't breach their terms and conditions.

The posting of the picture can have two outcomes. A new very expensive identity for the killers or an innocent man terrified of having his life destroyed or worse until it is confirmed that he is not JV or RT.

gordyslovesheep Germany Fri 15-Feb-13 21:03:09

spot on Cortana

you can't want law then take it into your own hand when it doesn;t give you the result YOU want - like some petulant child

the law decided, based on all the evidence - end of

It's like all the civilised adults who surround the court day after day kicking the transport van and baying for the blood of ...two 10 year old children - idiots

pigletmania Fri 15-Feb-13 21:09:06

Gordy does not mean I don agree that they should have received a much longer sentence. Vigilante bandwagon wtf! If you read my posts I said I don't agree with that, but does not make mean I don't have feelings. The Jamie buger killing has made me very very iverprotective of my children when out, when I thnk o his poor parents

DeltaUniformDeltaEcho Fri 15-Feb-13 21:12:58

Thanks amberleaf I thought it was true.

So sad that someone lost his life because everyone jumped on the gossip bandwagon and hounded an innocent person without checking the facts.

I don't think people have forgotten. It was truly horrible thing. I read court transcripts as part of a course and those details will never leave me. But neither will the details of what two 10 year old boys had endured throughout their short lives before that day. It doesn't balance it out, it doesn't make what they did understandable or justify it. It just makes me so very sad. These boys were not born evil but they clearly witnessed enough of it to do what they did.

These facebook vigilantes will do nothing but harm. Aside from the risk of harm to an innocent person wrongly accused what about the fact that these pictures will make their way onto the wall of the people who were closely involved? Imagine having this rubbed in your face in such a horrid gleeful way? Seeing other people scream about cutting people to pieces etc when you probably already feel the world is full evil, violent enough people already.

Reposting this nonsense doesn't make anyone a hero for society. It makes you an idiot imo sad

Flisspaps Fri 15-Feb-13 21:14:32

Absolutely agree with what you say about the 'grief porn' involvement Cortana

piglet his name was James. Not Jamie. Never Jamie.

I'm blocking anyone stupid enough to post the photos on my timeline. I don't want to see their faces every 30 seconds. I use FB for chitchat and light relief. Not to see vigilante incitement and scaremongering.

shockers Fri 15-Feb-13 21:19:39

His name was reported as Jamie at the time Fisspaps.

Flisspaps Fri 15-Feb-13 21:23:02

But Denise Fergus has been very clear since then - he was never known as Jamie, he was James, and media reports since then have called him James.

gordyslovesheep Germany Fri 15-Feb-13 21:23:39

good lord - it took the death of a child for you to be vigilant of your own - don't be silly

why do people feel the need to insert themselves into other peoples drama

they where tried, sentenced and that is that - no amount of moral outrage after the fact or FB post will change that

strawberryswing Fri 15-Feb-13 21:29:16

Another one who has deleted people sharing these photos and will carry on doing it.

The whole thing is totally idiotic. There is a huge chance that these men are not RT and JV so all it will achieve is potentially ruining innocent mens lives.

What annoys me even more is that these are the same people who complain that they have been given new identities, when its people like them that are the reason they need new identities in the first place.

Its not up to the public to take the law into their own hands.

zippey Fri 15-Feb-13 21:29:46

I think the fact that the killers were children has to be a mitigating factor. Someone said their daughter is now 10, and knows the difference between right and wrong. Thats great in that instance, but these children grew up in a horrifically abusive situation, so their view of right and wrong was obviously screwed. We are quick to sympathise with children who have been abused, bust sometimes abused children will abuse others, because thats how they they have been taught to behave - children learn from their environment.

Its a sad situation all round. To be honest I would have been happy if the parents of V+T had been punished and the children sent for rehabilitation.

'some people might like the feeling they're able to do something for James Bulger and his mum by lessening the places Jon Venables can hide from how society as a whole feels about him'

I don't feel like that and thankfully neither does much of Society. Venables and Thompson were children who did an almost unbelievably terrible thing. I'm a parent. Their crime makes me despair and the state of those who committed it makes me despair too. If they can put their lives back together and live usefully then that is to the benefit of society. Unfortunately I think there is a small venegeful minority that will never let that happen.

AgentZigzag Fri 15-Feb-13 21:35:45

'you can't want law then take it into your own hand when it doesn;t give you the result YOU want - like some petulant child'

It's not petulant to think the criminal justice system got it wrong (and I'm not sure whether I think it has or not in this case), and you can't really be saying they get it right every time!

Of course people shouldn't take it into their own hands, but for many, I would say clicking the share button doesn't feel like vigilantism, but rather support for James Bulgers family.

gordyslovesheep Germany Fri 15-Feb-13 21:42:41

no - read what you cut and pasted - I don't believe I have ever said it doesn't get things wrong - stop twisting things

it doesn't make it okay to take it into your own hands - also define 'wrong' - your idea of wrong and mine may be very different - hence why we have the law rather than random people deciding the fate of accused people

AgentZigzag Fri 15-Feb-13 21:44:03

There was a similar release of photographs of the murderers of Peter Connelly when their identity was being protected by the court Northern, I think because some wanted the prison population to know who they were so they could be targeted.

Some do want those who do unspeakable things to little children to feel a physical pain, of course the thought can be overcome by most with the fact that it'd be wrong, but it's still there lurking in lots of people.

I don't think they knew what to do with V and T, they were tried in an adult court weren't they? There were some boys in Doncaster not long ago who did similar things to children and their identity was totally protected, so maybe the lesson has been learned that you can't give the identity out to the public and expect them to forget after a while.

Why were their identities made public in the first place does anyone know? Or was it just because they were on the CCTV pictures and so many people recognised them making it impossible to keep them anonymous?

gordyslovesheep Germany Fri 15-Feb-13 21:44:07

also by clicking share what on earth do you think these people want to happen - James's family get a big hug? no not at all - they want to hound a possibly innocent man - why on earth post his supposed identity

gimmecakeandcandy Fri 15-Feb-13 21:47:47

Defriending is completely over the top. You sound so bloody pious. I would not post that picture but have Facebook friends who have and wouldn't defriend over it. You seem more concerned about two rotten little shits than your mate who is better off now you have defriended!

Emilythornesbff Fri 15-Feb-13 21:49:19

pigletmania I too think about that little boy often. I don't seek out the memory of the news about his murder, it's just there in my memory and often moves me to tears (right now actually).
I Reject, an, indeed, find quite offensive the suggestion that being upset about James Bulger's terrible killing is "grief porn". It's just empathy. I truly wish I didn't think about it. His poor mother. Just awful.

AgentZigzag Fri 15-Feb-13 21:49:24

I didn't mean to twist what you said, I read it as you can't trust the law to do its job but then complain about what decision it's come to and decide to dole out some justice for yourself.

Some might see clicking the share button as registering their disapproval in what they think of the decisions made by the criminal justice system.

Not sure whether that makes a whole lot more sense grin

AgentZigzag Fri 15-Feb-13 21:50:55

Agree it's not 'grief porn' either, what they did to the little lad concerns us all.

Or it should.

gordyslovesheep Germany Fri 15-Feb-13 21:50:58

<wishes we could defriend on MN>

sorry to the more rational among us if I seem ranty - idiotic raging over a dramatic tragedy that has cock all to do with you is the kind of thing that fair boils my piss!

gordyslovesheep Germany Fri 15-Feb-13 21:53:25

it concerns me Agent from the point of view of wanting to stop more 10 year old children having such shit starts in life that they kill - not from the point of wanting to hound those children into adulthood when they have served their legal sentence

we should LEARN from the case not hoik our collective boobs and scream for blood

TwistedReach Fri 15-Feb-13 21:54:41

There were always three children to cry for in this case.

gimmecakeandcandy Fri 15-Feb-13 21:55:36

What's all this nonsense about grief porn?! I was disgusted and upset at what James Bulgar endured when it happened 20 years ago and I feel the same now. Nothing grief porn about it, I just bloody well care that a little boy was beaten and left for dead by two vile monsters who should have been left to rot in jail.

Does Robert Thompson's wife (he is married with a child isn't he?) KNOW who she is married to?! How could anyone go near him or Jon Venables?

LittleChimneyDroppings Fri 15-Feb-13 21:57:05

agentzigzag I believe their identities were made public by the judge after the case, in the best interests of the public. A serious error in my opinion, and one that certainly wasn't in the public interest at all. Initially they were referred to as boy A and boy B, and it should have remained like that.

LittleChimneyDroppings Fri 15-Feb-13 22:00:31

it concerns me Agent from the point of view of wanting to stop more 10 year old children having such shit starts in life that they kill - not from the point of wanting to hound those children into adulthood when they have served their legal sentence

I completely agree gordys

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