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Should be able to dress however the hell they like without being accused of having issues, having only gotten a job because of the way they look, being brainwashed, trying to please men, damaging young girls....

I thought the idea of women having rights meant that they could make decisions for themselves, But it seems that instead of men dictating to us, Other women have taken the mens place in laying down the law over what we should and shouldn't wear.

I wouldn't sit here and criticise a woman in a baggy jumper and sweats, I wouldn't tell her she isn't sexy enough, i wouldn't tell her anything. I'd just assume that today, she feels best in her baggy jumper and sweats.

So why, why why can a large portion of todays women not do the same in reverse? Why do you see a woman wearing a tight, low cut dress and think she's got issues? What is the difference between the woman in the 'sexy' dress and the woman in the sweats? They both got up this morning and wore what they felt best in.

Am i missing some unwritten law that says 'Women have rights and choices - Unless they make another woman feel uneasy somehow?'

YANBU at all...I couldn't have put it better myself.

It never fails to amaze me, the hostility and criticism of some women's (usually celebrities) choice of clothing/make-up/cosmetic surgery (or lack of) on MN...and of course other internet sites.

How often do you read people blaming magazines, men and the patriarchy for women having body issues?

Yet, the criticism and abuse comes mostly from other females imo.

YANBU at all, its sad some women have to make themselves feel better by critisising others.

totally agree. YANBU at all.

critising other women comes so easy to some women.

Thread about a thread is generally seen as bad form dizzy zebra.
Fwiw the presenter wasn't being criticized about what she wears, society was being criticized for rewarding one and one only mode if dress for one and one only gender. Not a difficult concept

Ok I have and do continue to judge women who wear leggings. Very few women look good in leggings. Actually, not just women. Rod looked a knob in his 80's leggings, so did Steve Tyler and Max Wall. So, maybe it's just leggings in general

Sadly this is probably a thread about many, many threads....

It might have been inspired by a thread started here today but there are so many women who are willing to 'call stripper' on another woman's choice of clothing.

Sad.

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The choice of words wasn't great bit the phenomenon exists. Its worth talking about.

YANBU.

I sometimes thing that women are women's worst enemy.

Society doesn't reward one and one only mode of dress for one and one only gender...hence why lots of women on TV wear suits.

it's not even just women being criticised, it's little girls too now. apparently too much pink is a crime

Advanced search isn't working (again!) but there was a thread a few weeks ago about Helen Flanigan from Coronation Street, that linked to a photo of her with her hair scraped back, wearing a low cut top, thigh high boots and some admittedly unusual lipstick.

And oh my god the comments from some women slagging off her 'saggy boobs' were just fucking awful.

She's naturally big chested...her boobs were not saggy - gravity was simply doing it's job because her boobs are so large.

If men had posted half the comments on that thread they'd immediately be accused of being skewed by false images and breast implants...with a touch of misogyny thrown in for good measure.

*Thread about a thread is generally seen as bad form dizzy zebra.
Fwiw the presenter wasn't being criticized about what she wears, society was being criticized for rewarding one and one only mode if dress for one and one only gender. Not a difficult concept*

TBH, That thread was just the tipping point. I've been increasingly annoyed by comments, usually by women, over the last few months.
It's everywhere and it's bloody infuriating - It's no better than school yard bullying.

I'm sick of seeing women branded a slut, slag, whore, stripper because they dress in revealing clothes. It doesn't effect anybody else so why do people feel the need to make comments?

Really believe that worra? Ok then.
Booyhoo wearing pink is not a crime! But its not innate, something else is driving it. It's worth figuring out why is it happening ans does it matter.

it's not even just women being criticised, it's little girls too now. apparently too much pink is a crime

Oh i haven't even got time for those people. My daughter wears whatever colour she likes. Sometimes she is pink from head to toe. Sometimes she is blue. Sometimes purple. I have no idea why pink is any different to any other colour.

Pink happens to be my favourite colour. I have half of my hair pink at the moment. I have many pink clothes. I bloody love it. I'd laugh at someone who assumed this says anything about my personality, upbringing or anything else. It's just a colour.

YANBU and why the fuck do they care? There's much more to worry/think about than what people wear. If people smell then yes that's not good. But often that is linked to their mental well being. But what they wear is entirely up to them imo.

Of course there's always people's own insecurities and the green eyed monster. Sad really.

Yes I do believe it Sinsiter

Of course there is sexism (sadly) in the fact that old, wrinkled, grey haired men get to read the news and present the weather...unlike most of the young, pretty women etc....and that needs to change.

But for the most part now, I'd say people need to stop blaming 'society' and 'the patriarchy' so often for these issues...and start looking towards the bitchy, catty women who can't wait to claw at other women for how they choose (yes that's right I said it ) choose to look.

They are just as much to blame as anyone else for making women feel self conscious.

As I said, advanced search is buggered...but this thread with so many bitchy comments is still available on Google...

FFS and people still mainly blame men and men's magazines

Im not that keen on pink but do dress like a TOWIE extra.

I also have a first class degree and have had several academic articles published. I love telling women that and seeing the face. It is sad that the judgement usually comes from other women though, who seem to assume that I must be thick as I wear false eyelashes.

Which presenter is the OP on about?

What makes me laugh about the Angelina episode is that theres nothing unusual about her pose. It's a pretty standard pose - That is really exaggerated by how that dress is cut and held to the side. I didn't see what the fuss was about.

Everlong - I'm not talking about a presenter. The other thread was and it pissed me off on top of a lot of other related things.

Does anyone remember the saying, "Dressed like a teacher?"

That was because when I was growing up (during the 70's) no professional person or any particularly brainy person was expected or allowed (in some professions) to dress as they pleased.

Reflecting your personality in your dress sense was a total no-no and those who did, were never viewed as professional or even particularly extremely intelligent.

Thank goodness that prejudice changed...though sadly in 2013 it would seem not completely.

Perhaps the countdown lady should dress in an ankle length brown courdroy skirt....even if she'd rather stick blunt needles in her eyes?

Oh right. I didn't see the other thread, who were they on about?

IMO it's fair enough to make fun of the 'pose' as that's something she chose to do...but the slagging off of her 'ugly leg' etc...well all I can say is some women need to look closer to home if they think the media and men's mags are totally to blame for women's body issues.

No doubt the same women handing out the abuse would be the first to start a thread if their DD had been criticised for her looks alone.