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WWYD? Am I expecting too much?

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StealthPenguin · 23/11/2011 19:10

My gorgeous DS is 4 months old and is pretty much a perfect baby. Has slept through the night since 7 weeks old, feeds well, plays well, generally doesn't fuss, incredibly smiley, very easy going...

He sleeps (on average) from 8:30pm until 7:30am. It's straight through the night, doesn't fuss and doesn't put up a protest when we put him in his cot because he knows that when he's in there it's time to go to sleep.

His normal routine is he'll wake up, play for about half an hour, then feed. Play some more, then nap for half an hour. He'll then wake up, play for 30 minutes, have food, play some more, then have another nap for 30 minutes. He's been pretty regular and generally we end up feeding him every 3 to 3.5 hours. (8am, 11:00, 2:30pm, 5pm and then 8pm).

We tend to just hold him when he needs a nap and then he goes to sleep with his dummy in, then put him on the sofa and carry on with things until he wakes up. But recently there have been absolute ructions in trying to get him to nap.

He's blatantly tired because he has a very specific "I'm tired" cry. But he thrashes, screams, spits his dummy out, wails so much that he turns purple, he kicks and hits out at the person holding him, he arches his back and straightens his legs to try and get away... it's absolute murder. This will go on for upwards of 20 minutes and it's getting absolutely beyond.

We've tried holding him looser, we've tried making him warmer, making him colder, holding him in a specific way that doesn't allow him to thrash about (because in all honesty - it bloody hurts!), we've tried putting him down in his cot but he gets confused and upset then because it's still daytime out so therefore it isn't sleep.

He definitely needs naps, because he truly is absolutely shattered. With our current household, we have my partner and me here during the day to play with him, and then his grandparents come back between 3 and 5 so they play with him in the evenings, and we have his Auntie with us too so she plays with him whenever possible. So it isn't that he isn't tired, he just fights and fights and fights it!

WWYD? Anyone else had this situation? Am I expecting too much of my 4-month-old baby? Is this normal?

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FabbyChic · 23/11/2011 19:12

Of course it is normal, he likes the fuss. His habits will change as he gets older.
Its about changing his routine as you go along.

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WhiteTrash · 23/11/2011 19:18

It wont last, dont worry.

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jenrendo · 23/11/2011 19:24

YANBU. I used to get totally frustrated when my DS wouldn't nap and he screamed the house down, and I did loads of research on the subject. Then I realised that routines change all the time and tried to be less anxious about it. One thing I would suggest is putting him down in his cot for naps too. Once I stared doing this DS slept much better and went down much quicker, and also got used to settling himself off to sleep. He is now down to one nap in the afternoon and when I take him up and tell him it's nap time he points to his cot and starts wriggling to get in! Consistency and nap routine was the best thing for us. Just try to relax a but. Better said than done I know!!

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Elizadoesdolittle · 23/11/2011 19:27

The naps sound like quite a lot to me for a 4 month old. He really only plays for 30 mins before needing a nap or have I read that wrong? Try taking him for a walk, my dd would only nap in the car or pushchair at that age.

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ImperialBlether · 23/11/2011 19:28

Please be careful about letting him sleep on the sofa!

When my son was a bit older than yours, I used to put him in his snowsuit in his buggy and face the buggy to the window (there was a tree outside) and say, "Won't be a minute, we'll go out soon." If I saw him stirring I'd say, "I'll just get my bag, won't be a minute."

He would be out like a light and sleep for hours. Mind you, he was very confused when he woke up because he couldn't remember his walk!

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Lilylulee · 23/11/2011 19:28

I would say it is normal (in fact, I'll go as far to say you've been incredibly lucky to have had it so good up until recently!)

My DS is nearly 4 months and needs a lot of help getting to sleep. I can tell he's getting tired when he starts to get grumpy, fussy, and cries. He needs to be rocked to sleep or needs to be put in his vibrating bouncer along with singing etc. He visibly fights sleep - you can see him start to thrash about as he's about to nod off. If I let him get himself to sleep, it simply wouldn't happen and he would continually cry.

I don't have any answers for you but know what it's like...

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happyhorse · 23/11/2011 19:29

Do you have blackout blinds so his room is totally dark? If not you should get some. Also look out for signs of tiredness before he starts with his tired cry - you'll have to watch him like a hawk when it starts to get towards nap time. As soon as you suspect he might be tired put him in his cot and leave him to settle.

This is what worked for DS, but I think he was probably a bit older than 4 months before I had all that sorted.

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StealthPenguin · 23/11/2011 19:33

Eliza - He plays for half an hour, then feeds, then plays for maybe an hour and a half, then a 30-minute nap :)

And Lily - I know I've been really lucky! Might try and extend his playtime so that he naps for longer and is more tired going into a nap.

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StealthPenguin · 23/11/2011 19:36

And no blackout blinds because generally his room doesn't need them! Got some quite thick curtains and his window is facing the wront way for the sun to come in.

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StealthPenguin · 23/11/2011 19:36

*wrong

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KeepInMindItsAlmostChristmas · 23/11/2011 19:37

Sorry was just wondering is this only at nap time because it sounds as if maybe he has colic?

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TheOriginalFAB · 23/11/2011 19:37

Sleeping on the sofa isn't safe really.

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StealthPenguin · 23/11/2011 19:42

This seriously is only at naptime - brings up his wind brilliantly.

As soon as we settle him into his "nap" position he kicks off, and even if we put him down on his playmat he'll keep on going ballistic.

We put him to sleep on his back and in such a way that he can;t roll off, someone is in the room with him at all times. It's just become routine now.

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BsshBossh · 23/11/2011 19:45

Maybe his frequency of naps is too... er frequent (Grin). From memory I think my DD napped, at 4 months, for 30-45 mins around 9am, an hour ora bit more around 12pm then an hour around 3. Bedtime at 7pm through to 7am.

I also agree that daytime napping routines change so so much in the first year.

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NinkyNonker · 23/11/2011 19:47

The 4month sleep regression might not be helping. I do think it is normal though, just go with the flow as he may change his mind every week so just roll with it!

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StealthPenguin · 23/11/2011 19:47

OK, I'll try and just play it by ear for the next few days, maybe a week. See if there's a marked change in his routine :)

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NinkyNonker · 23/11/2011 19:50

Ps, dd never did 'proper' naps until she was over a year really...she would only go for 45 mins or so here and there. Normally at 9 am ish, then after lunch, then a catnap around 4. She liked the sling for some of them.

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mumofthreekids · 23/11/2011 19:51

He can't roll off the sofa now, but give him a few weeks... my DS1 started crawling at 6m....

Agree their nap patterns are so variable at this age. Maybe he's ready to drop a nap? I found they could often be awkward around the transition stages, I'm sure he will settle down soon.

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Thatawkwardmoment · 23/11/2011 19:54

YANBU. I agree with jenrendo - had I not become relaxed about it, I'd have gone crazy(ier)! DS is the same. One day he will nap in his cot for 2 hours - the next it will take several miles (either in his car or in his buggy) for him to drop off - no difference in routine on both days. I became so desperate that I even read books on the subject! However, the minute I became more relaxed about it, is the minute that it became easier.

DS is obviously of the opinion that variety is the spice of life Grin

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OmniaParatus · 23/11/2011 19:58

Could you get a swing? DS2 had one and it was brilliant, he was also a struggly sleeper but settled wonderfully in his swing, I wish I had had it for the other two! He is too big for it now at eight months, so I either put him in his buggy and take him out,or rock him to sleep with his dummy and put up with the struggling.

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Elizadoesdolittle · 23/11/2011 20:03

Ah I get you. Should have read it properly Blush
I do think though that he is perhaps ready to not sleep so much. My dd didn't start napping in her cot till she was nearly one. I know it's easier said than done but try to relax about it and you'll soon settle into another routine. You'll get settled into a new one and then in a month or two it will be all change again!

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StealthPenguin · 23/11/2011 20:34

MumOfThree - oooooh yes he can! But it's odd... with his naps he stays perfectly still, but when he's down for the night he'll wriggle and shift like noones business!

And like I said, I'll just play it by ear!

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StealthPenguin · 01/12/2011 11:19

OK - update.

We've decided to essentially let him sleep as and when he wants. We play with him until he gets tired, then he's picked up and bounced on the knee/played with on someones lap until he drifts off. We then put him down to sleep and he stays there for about an hour at a time, sometimes 45 minutes.

But thanks to this, we've got a problem.

He is now waking up at 4:30, fussing in his cot until around 5am and then screaming until we go in. He used to sleep through so well! We've tried extending him in the evenings from 8:30pm until 9:30pm or possibly even 10pm, but he still wakes up at around the 5am mark.

I now am in an even worse position than when I started this thread - I miss the screaming-naptimes because at least it meant that I had an hour or two to myself in the night and then a full sleep on top. Now my evenings are stuck to put-baby-to-bed-then-crash-out-myself!

Anyone else had this? What the heck has gone wrong?

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Mimmee · 01/12/2011 11:23

4 month sleep regression probably.

Keeping him up later won't help, it'll just make him overtired and sleep worse.

Just go with it and try to be as consistent as possible.

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StealthPenguin · 01/12/2011 11:28

Ugh. I know that's probably it but it's sooo not the answer I want to hear!

DP is a night owl, and loves playing XBOX until the wee hours. Even if he does it downstairs he comes in and clatters about, getting ready for bed. And when I've already been asleep for three hours, having someone wake you up isn't exactly conducive to great sleep! I find it so tough to settle myself back down again.

Have explained it to him, but even when he tiptoes in, he still wakes me up. And it isn't just me he's hurting - on a few occasions I've been so knackered I've not heard the baby monitor and have come downstairs at 9am to DS and DP fast asleep on the sofa!

Any other advice? Or is it literally just "go with it"? Anything to make it easier? Like valium?

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