Petitioning Parliament to ban males from attempting to breastfeed infants

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I am considering starting a petition on the https://petition.parliament.uk to ask the government to make a criminal offence for any male attempting to breastfeed an infant from his own nipples.

I've never started a petition before and am wondering if anyone has any tips on how to write this so it doesn't get rejected and encourages people to sign? Would love to hear any advice anyone here can offer!

I'm also concerned about my personal info being revealed on the petition website, does anyone know if there's a way of withholding identity when the petition gets published?

I'm afraid I don't have any tips but I would totally sign this. Good luck

Sorry, I haven't a clue how you would go about it, but it's a brilliant idea and I too would sign and share it

i would also definitely sign this.

I set up a government petition a few years ago and your details are kept private and aren’t visible.

You would have to be clear that you mean ‘biologically male’ otherwise someone with a gender recognition certificate who is still male but lives under the legal fiction they are female could breastfeed.

Yes the wording will need to be checked (ideally by a lawyer) otherwise you’ll get bogged down in word soup. Not all males believe they are males..

Parliament can't 'ban' males from attempting to breastfeed. I'm afraid this would be a pointless petition. This needs to be viewed as the abusive, dangerous act that it is and treated as such by police and social services but petitioning parliament sadly won't be the way to make that happen.

This is a really good idea. The possible dangers of giving an unknown, artificially induced and chemically laden substance to babies are horrific, and additionally run the risk of depriving it of sufficient and proper sustenance.
The whole process is only about providing validation to males. The infant is secondary.

it might not be praticable but could still serve a purpose by shining a light on this.

Rather than banning, perhaps it needs to be recognised in law as a form of CSA or child endangerment (cocktail of drugs).

What do you mean they can't do it?

They can't just 'ban' people from doing things in their own home unless it's a criminal offence. That's not how society works in the UK.

Someone has put about men with a GRC, but what about women with a GRC ie women who think they're men. No medical intervention is required to hold a GRC so it could penalise women with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment. @BettyFilous I think has it right, the drug cocktail that induces lactation needs to be banned not the act itself.

How are you proposing to ban prescribing legal drugs? Come on. There is no way to legislate against this. It needs to be viewed as heinous and wrong by health professionals and social workers in order for any action to be taken and at the moment it's either a) not or b) people don't know how to speak against it.

You could ban medical professionals with trying to assist a biological male to breastfeed.

I would have thought that abusing a child’s innocence to involve them in an adults fetish life, or to get them to play the role of a prop in their lived fantasy identity, is abuse full stop.

Getting a baby or child to suck or lick any part of a man’s body for the man’s benefit, is abuse, particularly if it is an erogenous zone.

Yes and any literature which supports it, particularly within the NHS. Also, to find out who slipped such wording into NHS guidance and get them sacked and prosecuted for promoting child abuse.

They actually did control how much domperidone you could buy at a time, I think.

the problem is that women who have supply issues use the same medications. The protocol that trans people use is based on the one developed for women with supply problems or who wanted to induce lactation for an adopted baby.

@WilkinsonM yes you're right, but I suppose it would be misuse of prescription drugs. I don't know, it was early morning musings.

And why this and not all the other insane things that medical professionals do? You have to look at precedent and the precedent is that human experimentation in the name of gender is a ok

This has to be viewed as child abuse before anything like this could happen. And that's a cultural shift, not a legal one. We are seeing the crazy excesses of genderwoo now - men competing as women in sports, men breastfeeding babies - and society doesn't know how to respond.

Hmm, I don’t know anything about the “drug cocktail” that males would take, but I hope we aren’t including induced lactation in females in this proposal?

This requires one long standing common place drug I think, and should certainly be allowed.
So if the drugs are the same (which I don’t know) then we wouldn’t have a leg to stand on as it would then be pure distaste that makes us sign the male petition.

Can anyone make an argument that this is in the best interests of the baby?

At least with puberty blockers (which I think it's good that they recently limited their use) you can make some sort of argument that it's in the best interest of the child. I personally doubt it, but you can make the argument.

I get the point you are trying to make about unintended consequences. There is no good reason to use lactation protocol drugs in biological males. It is certainly not for the benefit for the infant, unlike the use of the same drugs in females. It should be possible to draw the distinction in. Practice and in law.

I don’t think it’s really a ‘cultural shift’ that is required, ordinary people are not on board with child abuse and the erasure of women, it is top-down.

The thing is, WPATH and similar organisations have been using ‘strategic litigation’ to coerce society into accepting and promoting things, without democratic process, which are at odds with normal values.

These activists make wild claims about what is normal and acceptable now, and they’ll abuse whatever power they have to enforce it.

They are the ones ‘at war’ with ordinary, normal cultural values. They have definitely not won it.

Let's ignore how distasteful many people are going to find it.

We can't just assume that milk from males, presumably taking cross sex hormones, and then another drug, is going to be equivalent to milk from females. Or could males even produce that much?

At the very least, you would need research into whether it's in the best interests of the baby. Maybe include the risk of psychological harm when they find out later.

It is obviously child abuse.