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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Two Survivors Allege They Were “Groomed,” Sexually Exploited By Staff at Scottish LGBT Youth Charity

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WarriorN · 22/12/2022 19:12

Care of ripx4nutmeg and Reduxx

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WarriorN · 22/12/2022 19:16

Earlier this year, LGBT Youth Scotland was reported to the charity registerer_ by Safeguarding Our Schools Scotland for referring children on a chatroom to information about breast binders by the UK charity Mermaids. Mermaids are currently under investigation by the charity commission and Safeguarding Our Schools questioned why LGBT Youth Scotland was signposting resources by Mermaids on its website before the investigation into the charity’s safeguarding approach had concluded.*

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WarriorN · 22/12/2022 19:17

Destroying inquiry files after 10 years is concerning to me. Schools are required to hold a great deal of paper work for 100 years specifically for historic accusations in the future.

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EndlessTea · 22/12/2022 22:06

This is so disturbing.

rogdmum · 23/12/2022 21:27

And now LGBTYS have referred themselves to the police over it
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/23/lgbt-charity-refers-police-sexual-exploitation-fears/

(has also been archived in the usual spot)

DerekFaker · 23/12/2022 21:29

Foe those of you in twitter, this is the person who blew the whistle on them, so to speak.

twitter.com/wundt_vil/status/1606027481932337160?t=KJ4HehJWVlqQdqXWZP5FOw&s=19

DerekFaker · 23/12/2022 21:37

Extremely concering that he thinks the grooming might still be going on.

rogdmum · 23/12/2022 21:46

Lots of their Youth Groups cover a very wide age range, typically from 13-25, eg here:

Two Survivors Allege They Were “Groomed,” Sexually Exploited By Staff at Scottish LGBT Youth Charity
WarriorN · 24/12/2022 09:05

Horrific. As ripx4nutmeg says on twitter:

"Mermaids had a trustee who defended paedophilia

Stonewall had Aimee Challenor, who lived with and employed a child rapist, and then married a paedophile, as an officer

LGBT Youth Scotland had a baby rapist as CEO

All campaign for 'trans children'

What are the chances?"

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RambamThankyouMam · 24/12/2022 09:07

Who ever would have thought, eh?

TheBiologyStupid · 26/12/2022 11:17

As all too often, I'm shocked but not surprised.

nilsmousehammer · 26/12/2022 11:26

Oh gosh I'm surprised. <wearily reaches for more tea>

Surprised for the umpteenth time. Gosh so surprised. <pours gin in tea. Still doesn't numb out consciousness enough to get brain around wtf is going on with Scots establishment>

PissedOffAmericanWoman · 26/12/2022 17:11

Reading the story about the baby was difficult to stomach… A very hard read overall. It’s really sad I used to be a huge supporter of the LGBT community… I believe that once upon a time it was full of kind people with truly good hearts. But no more. I will not be silent and watch this happen to innocent people no matter who they are, what pronouns they use and no matter if it destroys my reputation. This is horrible all around. They are now power hungry monsters exploiting people!

PissedOffAmericanWoman · 26/12/2022 17:13

WarriorN · 24/12/2022 09:05

Horrific. As ripx4nutmeg says on twitter:

"Mermaids had a trustee who defended paedophilia

Stonewall had Aimee Challenor, who lived with and employed a child rapist, and then married a paedophile, as an officer

LGBT Youth Scotland had a baby rapist as CEO

All campaign for 'trans children'

What are the chances?"

The beginning of the end of the LGBT… Sadly people who need help will be hurt along the way. But the rug needs to be ripped out from under these organizations.

FrancescaContini · 26/12/2022 18:25

I could only read a couple of paragraphs of this as I couldn’t get beyond the words “three-month-old baby”. Very very upsetting.

pattihews · 26/12/2022 19:01

PissedOffAmericanWoman · 26/12/2022 17:11

Reading the story about the baby was difficult to stomach… A very hard read overall. It’s really sad I used to be a huge supporter of the LGBT community… I believe that once upon a time it was full of kind people with truly good hearts. But no more. I will not be silent and watch this happen to innocent people no matter who they are, what pronouns they use and no matter if it destroys my reputation. This is horrible all around. They are now power hungry monsters exploiting people!

Hold on a fucking minute: look what you just did there. You withdrew support for LGB people because of some things the TQ+ brigade have been up to. They are not our crimes.

LGB people are same-sex orientated: we're homosexuals. TQ+ people are almost all straight and think that sex is irrelevant. They want lesbians to accept girl dick and gay men to accept vagina. The TQ+ is homophobic. The two groups were welded together without consultation by Stonewall. Many, many lesbians and gay men object strongly to being combined with the TQ+.

Don't go blaming LGB folk for the activities of the TQ+ lot. Many LGB people are increasingly fearful of the backlash that will come if people lump us all in together. Please think more carefully and separate LGB and T out. We're not one community.

PissedOffAmericanWoman · 26/12/2022 19:25

pattihews · 26/12/2022 19:01

Hold on a fucking minute: look what you just did there. You withdrew support for LGB people because of some things the TQ+ brigade have been up to. They are not our crimes.

LGB people are same-sex orientated: we're homosexuals. TQ+ people are almost all straight and think that sex is irrelevant. They want lesbians to accept girl dick and gay men to accept vagina. The TQ+ is homophobic. The two groups were welded together without consultation by Stonewall. Many, many lesbians and gay men object strongly to being combined with the TQ+.

Don't go blaming LGB folk for the activities of the TQ+ lot. Many LGB people are increasingly fearful of the backlash that will come if people lump us all in together. Please think more carefully and separate LGB and T out. We're not one community.

Perhaps instead of jumping the gun as per usual you should have asked for clarity. I consider LGBT+ A separate community from LGB community. I have never stopped supporting LGB people. I am bisexual myself so I would certainly be shooting myself in the foot if I did not. However there are many LGB people within the sphere of the LGBT+ group that blindly support them because they think that they can’t support gay people unless they support them all.

PissedOffAmericanWoman · 26/12/2022 19:27

Sorry I think I should take a break from mumsnet I’m quite exhausted with the assumptions and picking apart phrases and assuming false guilt of others constantly for the sake of self serving drama.

nilsmousehammer · 26/12/2022 19:33

Its been the case now for a long time that 'LGBT+(whatever)' now stands for a political position/lobby, it does not accept or represent homosexual people or any LGB or TQ+ people not compliant with the politics. Or who dare to voice different opinions on their lives and experiences.

However the illusion of being the 'voice of the entire community' thing is clung on to and any attempts of LGB people to have a voice independent of the politics is fought against (as the constant attacks on the LGBA) as it is terribly useful to the political group to pretend they are the one only voice and representative of all LGB and TQ+ people all of whom agree with the politics and agenda. Having LGB and TQ+ people get off message or share contradicting experiences (such as hey, I want to be homosexual in peace) is disastrous to the political agenda.

When the phrase 'LGBT+' is used now, it is referring to the politics. As does the word 'lesbian'.

pattihews · 26/12/2022 22:56

Perhaps instead of jumping the gun as per usual.

I've never encountered you before as far as I'm aware. I've been away for a few weeks.

Reading the story about the baby was difficult to stomach… A very hard read overall. It’s really sad I used to be a huge supporter of the LGBT community… I believe that once upon a time it was full of kind people with truly good hearts. But no more. I will not be silent and watch this happen to innocent people no matter who they are,

Where in that do you differentiate between LGB and LGBT+ communities? We're not psychic, we can't tell from what you wrote that you meant something else.

Sorry I think I should take a break from mumsnet I’m quite exhausted with the assumptions and picking apart phrases and assuming false guilt of others constantly for the sake of self serving drama.

Perhaps you might try expressing yourself clearly in the first place so that you don't appear to be saying something you didn't intend?

RoyalCorgi · 27/12/2022 09:25

Story reported in the Times today (has anyone got a share token?)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lgbt-youth-scotland-refers-itself-to-police-over-historical-grooming-claims-v6wdvwclm

FrancescaContini · 27/12/2022 09:32

Thank you for the share token.

RoyalCorgi · 27/12/2022 09:57

Thanks for the share token, rogdmum.

We all know, I think, that sexual abusers target youth organisations, whether that's Scouts, children's swimming clubs or football teams or children's charities. I imagine LGBT organisations are a particularly attractive target because those children are likely to be more vulnerable and it may be the case (if Mermaids is anything to go by) that those organisations have weaker safeguarding. What I worry about particularly is that throughout the country there are now numerous local LGBT groups welcoming children aged between about 13 and 19. I'm not convinced those groups have proper oversight.

ladygindiva · 27/12/2022 10:07

pattihews · 26/12/2022 19:01

Hold on a fucking minute: look what you just did there. You withdrew support for LGB people because of some things the TQ+ brigade have been up to. They are not our crimes.

LGB people are same-sex orientated: we're homosexuals. TQ+ people are almost all straight and think that sex is irrelevant. They want lesbians to accept girl dick and gay men to accept vagina. The TQ+ is homophobic. The two groups were welded together without consultation by Stonewall. Many, many lesbians and gay men object strongly to being combined with the TQ+.

Don't go blaming LGB folk for the activities of the TQ+ lot. Many LGB people are increasingly fearful of the backlash that will come if people lump us all in together. Please think more carefully and separate LGB and T out. We're not one community.

I'm not gay but on behalf of my gay friends, this cannot be stated strongly enough.

nilsmousehammer · 27/12/2022 11:15

it may be the case (if Mermaids is anything to go by) that those organisations have weaker safeguarding.

Mermaids, for example, actively celebrates 'queer culture' which included the trustee who gave a speech on the need to normalise paedophilia. Many of the contributors to 'queer culture' have a record of challenge with respecting other people's boundaries, consent etc and it's odd how many have ended up disappearing under a cloud when police action became a possibility. Mermaid, in the throas of their 5th safeguarding catastrophe (come to light so far) were saying that safeguarding was transphobic before their interesting CEO moved on to pastures new.

It's not a bug. It's a feature.

Homosexual people (I use that word for myself now since 'lesbian' means something quite different and is regarded as an act of aggression against males for a female person to use to describe themselves and imply their body is off limits for the male's sexual satisfaction) spent bloody decades trying to get the general public to understand that homosexuality did not mean any lower social and sexual standards of behaviour, respect for others and safety around children than hetero people had.

And now you have the ones in dog costumes with erections who want to be patted by kids while telling you 'this stunningly inappropriate breach of everyone else's consent is an integral part of being LGBT+'

Hence why 'LGBT+' no longer to many of us has anything to do with being homosexual.