Huge new study of trans people released.

[crispbuttyfan]

thinkprogress.org/what-we-know-transgender-surgery-72ae4737545a/

1. The scholarly literature makes clear that gender transition is effective in treating gender dysphoria and can significantly improve the well-being of transgender individuals.

1. Among the positive outcomes of gender transition and related medical treatments for transgender individuals are improved quality of life, greater relationship satisfaction, higher self-esteem and confidence, and reductions in anxiety, depression, suicidality, and substance use.

1. The positive impact of gender transition on transgender well-being has grown considerably in recent years, as both surgical techniques and social support have improved.

1. Regrets following gender transition are extremely rare and have become even rarer as both surgical techniques and social support have improved. Pooling data from numerous studies demonstrates a regret rate ranging from .3 percent to 3.8 percent. Regrets are most likely to result from a lack of social support after transition or poor surgical outcomes using older techniques.

1. Factors that are predictive of success in the treatment of gender dysphoria include adequate preparation and mental health support prior to treatment, proper follow-up care from knowledgeable providers, consistent family and social support, and high-quality surgical outcomes (when surgery is involved).

1. Transgender individuals, particularly those who cannot access treatment for gender dysphoria or who encounter unsupportive social environments, are more likely than the general population to experience health challenges such as depression, anxiety, suicidality and minority stress. While gender transition can mitigate these challenges, the health and well-being of transgender people can be harmed by stigmatizing and discriminatory treatment.

1. An inherent limitation in the field of transgender health research is that it is difficult to conduct prospective studies or randomized control trials of treatments for gender dysphoria because of the individualized nature of treatment, the varying and unequal circumstances of population members, the small size of the known transgender population, and the ethical issues involved in withholding an effective treatment from those who need it.

1. Transgender outcomes research is still evolving and has been limited by the historical stigma against conducting research in this field. More research is needed to adequately characterize and address the needs of the transgender population.

That's as maybe - but what about women?
Men cannot become women - even if it makes them feel better to think that it does. We are still left with all the issues regarding sex and protections for women.
I will read the article, however I feel that you are missing the point.
Much as I feel for anyone who is not happy with their body and hope that solutions other than medical can be found, what really concerns me is women and their rights.

Unfortunately for those suffering gender dysphoria the proposed non-medicalisation of transgenderidim in the UK is very likely to result in there being no treatment available on the NHS. So not only are the rights of women and children being eroded by TRAs.

Yes, I agree it does not address the concerns you posted.
However there seems to be a lot of misinformation on this forum, that leads on to various misunderstandings.

One particular claim that pops up again and again is that transition doesnt work or make any difference...
If we can deal with the misinformation that derails discussions, maybe then the discussion can be opened up and solutions or common ground can be found.

Until people stop posting demonstrably false claims, there is no chance of progress ever being made.

Women and girls rights at the moment don't matter

What About Women And Girls is it!!!

Regarding the lack of regret,
I don't think we'll know for 20 years what the regret rate is. It's the the children and teenagers that are going through this now who have no idea what it is they are giving up.

It seems that most of the new batch of transwomen have no intention of seeking medical treatment anyway, and these are the people I am most worried about.

Who has said that transition doesn't work as a treatment for gender dysphoria? What has been said is that transition does not make a biological male become a biological female - and that is a fact.

Seems to focus on transexuals with dysporia.
What about all those trans who claim not to have dysphoria and no interest in surgery?

This does not address the current movement of men living as women, but without any intention to transition medically. These individuals want access to female spaces without having a female appearing body. Any argument against that is shouted down as transphobic. None of the women I have spoken to have any issue with a fully transitioned trans woman being in women only safe spaces. However it seems an alarming amount of trans individuals do not actually want to medically transition.

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bebanjo there are people who transitioned decades ago, as an example here is a trans kid who transitioned at 11,

Most information about trans kids is muddled as the diagnosing criteria was tightened in 2013, most eyecatching studies took place before that.
But we do have some information since that, and is continuing, and they are being followed up.

pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2016/02/24/peds.2015-3223?utm_source=TrendMD&utm_medium=TrendMD&utm_campaign=Pediatrics_TrendMD_0

Ignoring Zack Ford as an ideological reporter (I'd rather have seen the actual study)...

... we're back to the other thread's apples and oranges crisp, aren't we? You are presenting studies about transition as if this applies to the entire trans population, thus completely ignoring the numerous ladypenis brigade who are not dysphoric and do not pursue physical transition.

You seem to think that women here oppose dysphoric people accessing medical treatment to ease their distress and that we deny such treatment could ever ease distress. You know that's not a fair representation of this forum. We've explained it to you over the course of a thousand posts on another thread.

And, in any case, the focus of this forum is to preserve the rights and spaces of women and girls. As others have already said, whether or not medical and surgical transition is successful for gender dysphoric people is irrelevant to the preservation of women's rights, services and spaces.

Stormwhale, that is misinformation.
Think about it, there are millions of trans people worldwide, but apparently they have all been asked what their plans are.

There is no possible way of knowing what percentage of trans people intend to have surgery. All we have is statistics of those who have been treated or who are currently being treated. Bearing in mind huge waiting lists, due to the lack of specialised surgeons however..

"More transgender people in the US are opting for bottom surgery, a report from one of the country’s leading medical schools has revealed.

According to statistics compiled by the John Hopkins University School of Medicine, from 2006 to 2011 83.9 percent of patients asked for the surgery, in comparison to 72 percent in 2000-2006, reported The Independent.
Collated through data of National Inpatient Sample (NIS) from 2000 to 2014, the data covers 95% of hospitals in the States."

That is brilliant news, that transgender people who suffer gender dysphoria are successfully helped by real transition. I would be astonished if anyone on this site wished anything but good for trans people.
My concern, as others have noted, is the erosion of women's and girls' rights by those who have no intention of transitioning in any effective way and are using the current debate and proposals to co-opt and invade women's spaces as men.

Lancleg the studies are in the link, I addressed that currently over 80% of 1% of the population request surgery.

As for the studies zack ford is referring to.
whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/

Also I am concerned by the misinformation by elements of the trans gender lobby which is seriously affecting young people who are exploring their gender identity and sexuality and coercing hem to begin transition before any degree of self now ledge or longterm interestis established.

It’s not really a ‘huge’ study when it even admits that the small size of the known transgender population Limits the ability to collate data, is it?

And it’s only in regard to post operative gender dysphoria treatment so 5-15% of trans people.

Not a huge study by any means

I’d also prefer to see the actual report. Googling Thinkprogress brings up many items from Snopes/Media watch sites, so perhaps not the most unbiased source.

i am also concerned that the "demedicalisatiom " of transgender may make it much harder for those transpeople who have severe mental health issues to receive good quality treatment . These studies show that they do need such treatment.

The thing is, we are not allowed to ask who has had surgery or differentiate between those who have had it and those who haven't.

gender transition is effective in reducing gender dysphoria

Having gender dysphoria is not a requirement of being Transgender.
What about all of the Transgender people doing it just because it's fashionable or sexually arousing? They aren't included in the study but they are included in Stonewalls definition of transgender.

I addressed that currently over 80% of 1% of the population request surgery.

In the entire US in 2016, fewer than 3.500 gender confirmation surgeries were performed and 95% of those were breast (augmentation or mastectomy) or facial surgeries.

crisp, I get it that you want to advocate for transgender people. Good for you. But let's not wander off into fantasy. That huge numbers of people currently declaring a trans identity are not dysphoric and that many of the male cohort have every intention of retaining their penis is not a TERF conspiracy. It's just true. We have eyes. We can see these people, large as life, all over social media.

Nobody on this forum wants to stop such people presenting as they wish and being happy doing so. We just don't think male people - including this cohort of male people - should have access to women's spaces and services. Because they are male.

The number of children who transitioned prior to this current wave was tiny, and as I understand it had satisfy medical professionals that they had gender dysphoria.
The number of children/ teenagers being transitioned now is staggering. And now a diagnosis of gender dysphoria is no longer needed.
Also, from what I've read by those who regret there transition, the trans community is unsupportive of anyone claiming to regret. It is quite likely that some are simply not coming out as regretters.
showing one young person who transitioned as a child and has no regrets as yet does not make your case.
Show me thousands of 80 year olds with no regrets and then you may have a case.
And I don't mean those who left it tell after they had had a life, family etc.