Has someone already posted about Erdogan's comments?

[BlameItOnTheBogey]

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30183711

So, Bloody. Depressing.

[BlueberryWafer]

How bizarre that he should say women should get equal respect yet not equality. What horrible views he has.

[BlameItOnTheBogey]

I don't even really know what that means: how can you respect someone equally and yet not respect their right to decide how to live their life? It doesn't make sense. And always great to hear a man telling women that they don't understand about being a mother.

[ToffeePenny]

I found it depressing that it made the news instead of just being ignored as the obvious ravings of an idiot.

The Koran (along with many other religious texts) is very supportive of slavery yet bondage-promoting loons never seem to get given a similar podium.

Which makes me feel that the media outlets telling the story are listening to the twit and thinking 'hmm, perhaps he has a point'.

(And you know I wasn't talking about that sort of bondage)

[Pepperwitheverything]

Why don't these type of disgusting men look at the problems their so-called superior sex cause in the world?? HOW can anyone look at the behaviour of men and honestly believe they are actually SUPERIOR????

[grimbletart]

What a stupid knob.

[grimbletart]

As soon as men (and religion) start going on about equal respect, difference, delicate women and the rest of that garbage you know what they really mean is "I'm superior, you're inferior, know your place woman"

I always find it ironic when men talk about women being delicate - but not too delicate to push an 8 pound baby out of your fanny as many times as men think appropriate.

Fuck off Erdogan.

[UptoapointLordCopper]

"I always find it ironic when men talk about women being delicate - but not too delicate to push an 8 pound baby out of your fanny as many times as men think appropriate."

YY. There is certainly nothing delicate about that. It does make me laugh (with rage) whenever people go on about "delicate" women and the "gentler" sex.

[Zazzles007]

Wow, I've just been transported back to the late 1800's... Where did I leave my horse and cart?

[QueenoftheRant]

I just came on to see if anybody had picked this up yet!

As a feminist and sahm it made me laugh. Kind of.

Does Turkey still want to be an EU member, anyone know? They've just lost my sympathy if this is standard belief over there.

[stealthsquiggle]

I thought there might be a thread...

I only read the 2 paragraph version, but it said that these remarks were at a women's conference.

my immediate reaction was "how did he get out alive?"

[UptoapointLordCopper]

buffy It will be suitably demure and tinkly after I break the fucking glass ceiling over their fucking heads.

[UptoapointLordCopper]

(Sorry about the swearing. I was inspired by the thread where a poster was chucked out of a local forum for mild swearing. OK, an f-word. Still, pretty mild by the standards on here. )

[MyOwnJungle]

wow. :poop:

[MyOwnJungle]

what he fails to grasp it that while he may consider motherhood women's only role and that might be supported somewhat by Islam, 1) not everybody is a muslim, 2) certainly most of Europe is not and 3) what about fatherhood.

He's not the ambassador for men, or even for islam. I say don't get to riled up over the stupid comments of one misogynist.

as I said to my son recently, only loser men who don't feel they can compete with everybody are sexist misogynists. men who aren't threatened by women have no problem with women in the work place - everybody judged on their merit. But if you're a big loser then it's obvious you're going to want to remove half your competition. So, just file him under loser.

[MyOwnJungle]

yes toffeepenny what you said

[slug]

"I always find it ironic when men talk about women being delicate - but not too delicate to push an 8 pound baby out of your fanny as many times as men think appropriate."

One of my favourite party tricks when faced with the bores down the pub is to describe in full and graphic detail the process of giving birth to an 8 pound plus baby without the benefit of painkillers. If they survive past the description of the episotomy, the demo of just how big the forceps are is usually the point at which they shut the fuck up about the delicate female.

[grimbletart]

The trouble is MyOwnJungle is that these loser men happen to find themselves in positions of real power sometimes…..

[RufusTheReindeer]

OH I'm so confused...

I am a feminist (bad) SAHM (mostly) mother of three (good), one natural birth (good) two by c section (bad)

I can't figure out if I'm a proper woman or not

[LurcioAgain]

Sadly, in a country where 40% of women suffer DV at some point in their life and the police response is often "go back home and talk things through", and this is the man who is ultimately in charge of that country, "file him under loser" is not an option for the millions of women who live there. See Alev Scott's article. (Usual warning - don't read the comments).

[YonicScrewdriver]

He not only god out of there alive, he was applauded. But the conference was in Istanbul.

[rosabud]

Imagine a foreign President announcing that "black people aren't equal to white people." Surely there would be international outrage, the country would have sanctions and cultural boycotts levied against it as South Africa did in the 1970s and 80s. The fact that there is no international condemnation shows that his misogynistic ideas are not considered outrageous by many international governments - who are, of course, largely made up of men. It's so depressing.

And as for the annoyance of a man telling women that they don't understand motherhood; actually he doesn't say "women" don't understand motherhood, he says "feminists" don't understand motherhood - with the implication that feminists are not "proper" women. In fact, it's men who don't understand fatherhood. They don't understand that for motherhood to be a good experience for mother and child, fatherhood needs to be done right, too, which means taking responsibility for and care of children in a supportive non-violent environment. I bet that's in the Koran somewhere.

[YonicScrewdriver]

Does he think feminism and motherhood are mutually exclusive conditions?

[rosabud]

Probably. And more to the point, he seems to think that womanhood (so to speak!) and motherhood are mutually inclusive conditions.

[NotCitrus]

He was the one who said a few months ago that women shouldn't smile so much in public. Cue selfie pictures all over the internet of Turkish women and male friends grinning, with various straplines mostly translating to "Erdogan, you're a tosser!"