Where did all the Feminists go?

(699 Posts)
Portofino Sat 22-Sep-12 19:43:34

MN seems to have had a reorganisation of FWR when I was on holiday and me no-likey. Why do we now have a Rad fem section and Feminist light chat. So many of the dynamic, knowledgable and interesting posters have disappeared. I have to say that some of the more radical stuff posted really made me think about my views and re-align them. There doesn't seem to be much of that anymore. I am disappointed to be honest.

meditrina Sat 22-Sep-12 22:54:43

The threads over the summer were long and detailed.

MNHQ made their choice, and, like all other site issues the bottom line is that if you don't like it you can go elsewhere. The Internet is vast and there will be plenty of places which provide the type of forums an individual wants.

StewieGriffinsMom Sat 22-Sep-12 22:55:11

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Portofino Sat 22-Sep-12 22:55:15

Milly are you saying that MNHQ have made changes to the forum because of what a few people on FB were saying? I don't believe that at all - sorry.

BlameItOnTheCuervo Sat 22-Sep-12 22:55:49

OldLady, but they didnt come on to discuss, they came to troll.

Getorf, me too, I've learnt so much through reading the fwr threads on here, and talking to feminist friends. Its a shame.

SuperB0F Sat 22-Sep-12 22:55:50

There were/are loads of goady trolls, OldLady. It's almost like they do a daily search for the word 'porn' on MN.

meditrina Sat 22-Sep-12 22:56:01

OldLadyKnowsNothing I agree (having also been on the receiving end of accusations).

AnyFucker Sat 22-Sep-12 22:57:43

well, yes

I didn't like it, so I went elsewhere

yup

GetOrfAKAMrsUsainBolt Sat 22-Sep-12 22:57:45

I agree that they had no intention of debating. They came on here to stir up shit, to insult and to grind people down. It worked.

Personally, I don't care if someone tells me my views are wrong, or are not feminist, or have this fault and that fault. That's debate. I care when people behave like shits.

That is really all there is to it, IMO.

GetOrfAKAMrsUsainBolt Sat 22-Sep-12 22:59:09

I don't want to go on another website. I am very happy here, and really liked that section. It used to work, but just got ripped to pieces in the end. Now it is a bowdlerised version of what it used to be, with ridiculous 'what do we think of this' playschool type threads.

BlameItOnTheCuervo Sat 22-Sep-12 23:00:14

<nods>

AnyFucker Sat 22-Sep-12 23:00:17

Getorf, I completely agree with you

the pure aim of FWR was wrecked, and remains wrecked

why people think it is better is beyond me

if you don't want your views challenged, I suppose it is better but that's a bit shit isn't it ?

Portofino Sat 22-Sep-12 23:00:56

Dittany told me to fuck off once. Did that stop me posting in FWR? No. Did it make me think about WHAT I was posting in FWR - yes.

I am not enjoying the 'what do we think of this' threads. I think there's some good threads still, though. blackcurrants has a very long thread about instances of sexism and it is good, it is getting people thinking and discussing things, and I think she could feel a bit shit to think that no-one appreciates that. So I am saying that I do.

AnyFucker Sat 22-Sep-12 23:02:19

"what is patriarchy"

"patriarchy doesn't exist and look at these stats about how men get twatted too"

everybody shuts up (who is worth listening to) or goes off on a stupid tangent (that isn't worth listening to)

fabulous

OldLadyKnowsNothing Sat 22-Sep-12 23:02:21

With the F4J thing, I'll agree there was an element of goading, and maybe even trolling. But with the supposedly-repeated "invasions" by PN, that was, and remains, mostly bollox. What some of you forget is that punters can be dads, and prostitutes (Working Girls or Service Provider in PN speak) can be mums.

And any of them can be here as day-to-day MNers too.

So when they see the topic being discussed on Active, why should they not join in?

Portofino Sat 22-Sep-12 23:02:39

Agree, Getorf, Af. Tis shit now.

MillyR Sat 22-Sep-12 23:02:54

Portofino, the feminist board was regorganised because a wide variety of people suggested changes that might work, so MN tried them out. MN is presumably now getting rid of any changes that didn't work.

Most of the radical feminists left because a. of what happened on FB and b. because they found more constructive ways and places to contribute to feminism. That leaves space for feminism on MN to develop in different ways, so the outcome is generally positive now (although it didn't feel that way at the time) for those who went and those who stayed.

They didn't leave because of the board reorganisation.

scottishmummy Sat 22-Sep-12 23:03:18

if I stopped when told fuck off,I'd never post
but it illustrates irascibility
not profound point

GetOrfAKAMrsUsainBolt Sat 22-Sep-12 23:03:28

YES porto - I was flamed a few times, probably because I was posting daft comments tbh. But instead of going 'waaaah bullies' I bloody learnt something.

oldlady, no, I'm sure they were invasions. I googled F4J and they were actually discussing it on their boards - it was very plain to see. They weren't just 'regular dads', despite pretending to be.

AnyFucker Sat 22-Sep-12 23:05:03

lrd, so do I

I did not mean for one second there are no good threads left on FWR

but what has happened is a turn around

most threads on FWR used to be intelligent debates, if a bit feisty, but they at least got you thinking

with the odd dud

now they are mostly duds with the odd shining star

that's not a good enough ratio for me

GetOrfAKAMrsUsainBolt Sat 22-Sep-12 23:05:43

I personally couldn't give a flying fuck if a punter is a dad or anything, I do care though when they come on, derail a thread, say that what we are discussing is bullshit, rip everyone's posts to shreds, get their mates to come over and effectively silence the debate.

OldLadyKnowsNothing Sat 22-Sep-12 23:07:43

LRD, I agreed on the F4J thing. Can you show me evidence of repeated invasions from PN? There was a thread a couple of weeks ago but it hardly invited invasion. And if it did, it didn't seem to work... Unless you can show me that too?

I'm not trying to be difficult, I have simply seen nothing that suggests anything of the sort, and I spend far too many hours a day on this site.

I know you didn't, AF.

I just think it needed saying.

I am sick of some of the threads that just seem patronizing and/or excuses to have a cheap bunfight. And I miss threads with people like herbeatitude or solidgoldbrass or sakura discussing really exciting issues. Those three posters to me sum up what used to be great. They were all capable of holding different opinions, but also being respectful of each other.

Interestingly, none of them had active roles in what milly and scottishmummy seem to think was the important issue here. So I don't believe that that issue was what changed the section.

There are loads of new posters here who are saying exciting things and who're interested, btw.

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