I have joy and sex in my life, i just don't talk about it on here...

[msrisotto]

Just wanted to clear that up really.
I'm married, to a man, I get on with my (male) colleagues and I love my dad, therefore I don't hate all men.

Now can we stop the bitchy insulting bullshit?

[EssentialFattyAcid]

Please can you not use the word "bitch"

[CardgamesFTW]

These insults are just stupid. And so what if someone is living a joyless and sexless life...their opinion is still valid! Or are only women who are happy all the time and have amazing sex all the time worth listening to? No, anti-feminists won't listen to us anyway!

[tippytap]

I have joy, but no sex

I've been reading that thread on AIBU. I don't post much on MN, but I always lurk on this board.

It's just so depressing to read the same old anti-feminist rants, all of the time...................

Sorry, not really got much to say.

T

[CardgamesFTW]

"Hairy lesbian" is another insult anti-feminists are found if. Like being attracted to women and having body hair is bad...the majority of men are like that, no? Or, "you hate men!!" if you are against men acting in a violent, sexist way. Let's not forget "you're against sex" if you say something critical about porn, prostitution, rape, objectification etc

[CatitaInaHatita]

With you all the way MsR.
I think the general thinking behind the insults betrays a certain male-centred vision of the world, in which women's value is entirely dependent on her worth as a object of attraction to men. Hence using the idea of ugly, hairly lesbian with no sex-life as an insult is makes complete sense.
It's also probably why female newsreaders are shunted off out of shot once they hit a certain age etc. If she is not attractive, she is not worth listening to.

[msrisotto]

Thinking about these insults for a nanosecond really reveals how male centred they are. As if even talking about equality or campaigning = joyless. Do Labour supporters call tories joyless for talking about politics from a different perspective to them? Stupid question of course not. It's just the stupidest comment i've ever heard.

Anyway, mustn't trouble my pretty little head with serious politics. Please excuse me whilst I plait my hair into ponytails and skip through a field.

[CardgamesFTW]

Indeed Msrisotto, and the insults implies views such as...
-Sexism is joyful - feminism ruins that joy apparently
-Abuse, rape, exploitation and anything a man gets off on = "sex" and must not be criticized
-Women they're not attractive to are worthless and just bitter because sexist men don't find them attractive

[motherinferior]

I am a cheery sort of person with a penchant for lowcut necklines. I have had sex with about 28 people (most of them men). I also work on a wimmin's magazine.

And I have been a tub-thumping feminist since the age of about 18.

[InmaculadaConcepcion]

Heaven forbid that we criticise the less-than-admirable behaviour of (a depressing number of) men or point out that maybe - just maybe - men in general hold a more privileged position in society (comparing like with like, naturally) because that might make us appear unfeminine and EEK unattractive to those same men. I mean, that would be terrible, wouldn't it?

[PlumpDogPillionaire]

I have soy and drek in my life, and occasionally joy and sex (sometimes simultaneously - ta-daaaaah!!!!)
But I strongly disliked 'The Joy of Sex', the man's beard and general missing-linkishness were hideous.
I would, however, like to invite you to join me on my emoticonathon over on AIBU. I'm sure you'll find the thread very easily.

[TeiTetua]

Rejoice, there is a new edition of 'The Joy of Sex' in which both genders conform to modern standards of grooming, the way everyone should.

[messyisthenewtidy]

Take heart, fellow fems. The "all you need is a good shag" line has been around for ages, as this cartoon shows. If only those suffragettes has gotten a bit of tonsil tennis, they wouldn't have need to campaign for something so trivial as the vote...

[PlumpDogPillionaire]

I wonder how many of those suffragettes really gave a shiney shite about 'accusations' that they weren't getting enough of it, though, messy?

[msrisotto]

They probably cared that they were the subject of ridicule.

[rosy71]

Apparantly the Pankhursts always made a big effort to dress up and look attractive due to accusations that suffragrettes were ugly women who couldn't find husbands.........

[PlumpDogPillionaire]

Hm. Makes it all the more remarkable that they achieved so much if they were losing energy getting exercised by trivial insults from thickos and arseholes, doesn't it?

[DoomCatsofCognitiveDissonance]

Yes, it was really their fault they were 'losing energy'.

Does it occur to you that instead of blaming the women and calling it 'losing energy' you can say they endured a sustained campaign of oppression?

God forbid we accept maybe the founder members of modern feminism were actually kick arse strong women who fought like hell against serious opposition, eh?

Describing insults against women as 'trivial' is, IMO, a bit like donating a fiver to MRAS R US every time you see one.

[PlumpDogPillionaire]

I don't see that I've blamed suffragettes, DoomCats.
I just believe that they were extraordinarliy strong people. Obviously you don't.

[DoomCatsofCognitiveDissonance]

Sorry, forgot to respond to the thread.

Yes, I have a lot of joy in my life if not quite enough sex (never found a bloke who could keep up). However I talk about it quite frequently on here and often end up shunned by right-thinking posters on that account.

[PlumpDogPillionaire]

And I don't regard trivial, mindless and unfounded insults as 'seriously strong opposition', FTR.

[DoomCatsofCognitiveDissonance]

plump, 'kick arse'' is slang for 'very very very'.

So I think you maybe misunderstood my post?

[DoomCatsofCognitiveDissonance]

I don't think verbal insults were all the suffragettes had to put up with. But the same people who insulted them, also denied them the vote.

The vote is quite important, you see - it gave women a say in who governed the country.

The attitude behind those insults was - just like the misogynistic attitude behind sexist insults today - pretty important.

[PlumpDogPillionaire]

I understood your post perfectly.
I think you may not have understood mine. For instance, it seems that you think I was blaming suffragettes for some crappy ridicule of them by someone else. I think my post was very straightforward. It did not say that.
Yes, I am familiar with 'kick arse' (and 'kickass' - and 'jackass'), thanks, Doom.

[DoomCatsofCognitiveDissonance]

Ok then.

I thoguht in your first post you were saying those misogynistic insults were 'trivial' and the suffragettes never would have minded them. Glad to know I am wrong!

Sorry, it is late and I am knackered, I misread.

[PlumpDogPillionaire]

Was the cartoon created and/or published by an MP, Doom?
I was assuming (wrongly perhaps) that it was published in a newspaper.
Last time I checked newspapers were not legislators.

And 'the attitude behind those insults' didn't ultimately succeed in denying women the vote, did it?