Just so you all know, your message is getting across!

[toddlerwrangler]

Please bear with me as posting from my phone.

This is, a fairly heated part of MN, but I understand that this is generally linked to how important feminisim is to members here. So I thought I'd post to let you know that yyour message is getting across, even to people like me who were previously feminist averse :)

I was doing to 30 day song challenge, and was going to post a link to my all time favourite song. however knowing the artist (I wont say who, you will all combust with rage) I decided to screen the lyrics first as diddnt know it word for word. There are phrases in there that previously i'd have written off as 'part of the song', but actually are not nice at all.. However from lurking here I HAVE started to think about the bigger picture of my actions, and thought it wrong to either promote the song to children and younger women and men who i am friends with. i dont want my name associated with those words being 'ok'.

I dont know if that will hearten any of you or not, but if feminisim feels an uphil strugge for some I just wanted to show it is not all in vain!

[toddlerwrangler]

Meant to say, 'the 30 day song challenge on facebook'. That post is poorly worded, apologies, big posts from my phone never work out well!

[toddlerwrangler]

No, not patronising at all :) Before, it wouldn't have entered my haed to think 'could this song have a negative effect on the way women are viewed and treated'. Not in a million years, however, now i do ask myself questions like that, and it is a direct result of my lurkage time here.

[ElephantsAndMiasmas]

That's great toddlerwrangler, thanks for posting :) Sometimes I think feminism is all about seeing the links between 'light' shitty stuff and the really terrible stuff. Patterns start to form, IYKWIM.

[MrIC]

Good for you, TW - it's like the tiny bits of gravel that start a landslide, isn't it? Lots of tiny actions eventually have a much greater impact.

Classic feminist dictum: "The personal is political" - and it is.

[InmaculadaConcepcion]

Oops, sorry - that one above was me!

[Unrulysun]

It's a slippery slope TW. Once you've taken the blue pill (or is it the red pill?) you can't go back. :)

Prediction - Toddlerwrangler will be in here playing feminist bingo with the trolls by early summer.

[toddlerwrangler]

Think I shall stick to lurking till a know a hell of a lot more!

[SkaterGrrrrl]

Good to know! :)

[BooyHoo]

"Before, it wouldn't have entered my haed to think 'could this song have a negative effect on the way women are viewed and treated'. Not in a million years, however, now i do ask myself questions like that, and it is a direct result of my lurkage time here."

i was exactly the same.

[toddlerwrangler]

Right, I am on my PC now so hopefully can type in a meaningful manner!

That post came across as a little 'yay me', and wasn't meant to .

What I wanted to say is that, as a direct result of this group I have changed the way I both think, and act. I don't think I will ever dissect lyrics to the degree that some members do, but the line 'you are now aloud to officially slap bitches' actually makes me angry, rather then indifferent (like it used to).

[InmaculadaConcepcion]

It's okay, TW, you didn't come across as "yay me", but as someone who had had an epiphany.

I'm pleased you didn't flounce off in a feminist-hating huff after your - ahem - disagreement with dittany. Stick around!

[toddlerwrangler]

Oh no flouncing here! I say it as it is so if I flounced after every barney there wouldn't be a corner of the internet left for me to use I do lurk and intend to continue to do so but as I noticed it kicking off a bit on another thread I thought you may like to know you arn't all banging your heads against a brick wall, and people ARE stopping to think about feminism :)

[toddlerwrangler]

Blimey Osuel no need to apologise! my thraed, not my board! Thraeds change overtime anyway :)

PS - I still have no idea how to namechange! I have been acused of being a troll, but really would make a rubbish one as cant use half the features on this board!!!!To be honest I thimk if I am going to be as gobby as i am the least i can do is put my name to my words :) .

[toddlerwrangler]

well thats good, because I LIKE gobby :)

[InmaculadaConcepcion]

Good for you, ousel. The casual misogyny relating to rape (instantly blaming the victim, etc.) should definitely be challenged whenever it's encountered IMO. Those kinds of attitudes are largely responsible for juries' reluctance to convict "decent-looking" rapists when they plead not guilty. Let's hope you did indeed make him think about it more deeply...

[David51]

This is showing my age but one of my all-time favourite songs is 'Keep on runnin' by the Spencer Davis Group.

However thanks to my raised feminist consciousness I now realise that the song is essentially a celebration of stalking and sexual harrassment