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Spraying boy cat, at wits end!

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jodee · 28/10/2013 19:15

Hi all, have read lots of threads on here, but am seriously considering whether to have our boy re-homed.

History is - have a female cat, aged 9 (she came as a pair as a kitten with her brother from CPL but turned out brother had a serious illness and had to be put down at 9 months). Decided 2 years ago that we had always wanted 2 cats, and was advised that it would be best to get 2 kittens rather than just 1, as we had an older cat already.

So got 2 kittens, boy and girl. Boy was very nervous from day 1, very clingy to me, follows me up the street, very vocal, uses the cat flap but prefers the front door. New girl very naughty and wee'd in son's school bag, etc. but she has grown out of that and is now lovely, they are nearly 3. Had litter trays when they were small but all 3 go to the toilet outside.

Not sure when it started but one day picked up a black bag of clothes that were going to the charity shop and could see clearly wee on it. Thought it was the girl. More wee on cupboard under stairs, on bookcase, then saw new boy backing up, wiggling tail and spraying.

Lots of clearing up. DH getting annoyed. It seemed to be in similar places, but never near the catflap (I have never seen any local cats in my house). We went on holiday for a week, cats at home with regular visits from my Mum. Boy had sprayed on first day, up table leg, then on returning I found many places where he had sprayed that he hadn't done before. I assumed he was stressed that we had been away. Still clearing up, then he sprayed right in front of me in the living room on the wallpaper under the window! I thought he wouldn't do it in that room as he curls up there in the corner on a beanbag. Did the same on the wallpaper in my bedroom - DH livid.

Haven't taken him to the vet as I really don't think he has a UTI, it's spray, marking. Researched on net and saw that Zylkene had worked in lots of cases where Feliway hadn't, so ordered the Zylkene. Boy has been on it for a week and I was really thinking it had worked, hadn't seen any spray (did see some but I thought it was historical, from over a week), then found today he had sprayed this afternoon on my knee length coat that I had put around the back of a chair in the dining room!!!

HELP! Does the Zylkene take a while to work? I am seriously wondering whether he would be better off in a house without any other cats, as our 9 year old tolerates the younger 2 but hisses a lot at them.

Wishing we had stuck with one cat ... had boys in the past when I was a teenager and none of the sprayed.

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cozietoesie · 28/10/2013 19:22

Apologies if I didn't notice it in your post but - is he neutered?

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Fluffycloudland77 · 28/10/2013 19:33

I think you need a litter tray in the house, if ours wees in the house he sprays as opposed to squatting. He will back up to anything, walls, air conditioning units if its upright he will spray on it.

He does this is he sees another cat outside the house or if he the tray isn't really clean.

When you clean up the wee what do you use?.

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jodee · 28/10/2013 19:42

sorry for the long post, btw. Cozie, yes he is neutered, a requirement of cats homed from CPL.

Fluffy, really - a litter tray again, won't all three cats start using it? Do you have just one cat? Have been cleaning with anti-bac spray and then a pet neutraliser spray.

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Fluffycloudland77 · 28/10/2013 19:54

But what's worse, cleaning a tray or cleaning where he's sprayed whilst our dh complains about the cat? My dh woke me up at 5am recently because the cat sprayed the bedroom curtains saying he was going to re-home him I cried, everything's worse at 5am.

The anti bac spray might have ammonia scents so its attracting him back. Bio powder in hot water works well but no disinfectants or bleaches. I sprinkle bicarb on carpets to help.

We had 4 cats when I was younger and we had 2 trays. One cat was a house cat by choice, it's not ideal but its just what you need to do sometimes.

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cozietoesie · 28/10/2013 19:58

I would (and have) maintain at least one litter tray inside the house even with outdoor going cats. It helps when you keep them in of an evening (which is preferable because nighttimes are more dangerous) and they often prefer to pee or poo inside. Having a tray inside can restrict spraying activity to the location of the tray if nothing else.

If he's peeing in the house he's territorially challenged and bristling with it. It may be that he doesn't like the females but are you completely certain that no other cats are getting in through your catflap? Is it a microchip one? Just because you haven't see one around inside the house is no guarantee that you haven't been visited in your absence by some local tom who has sprayed inside the house. (Which would get your boy's back up.)

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jodee · 28/10/2013 20:24

Fluffy, your cat is still spraying even with a litter tray? (I know you said he likes it to be clean, but my DH would go mental). I guess we will have to try it a litter tray again.

Cozie, I can't be 100% sure that no toms are coming in, there are a a few other cats around, of course.

My boy is such a nervous cat, though, everything scares him, my DH just crossing his legs!, a carrier bag on the floor or a folded small umbrella in the porch. He is only bolshy when it comes to his sister, and chases her across the fences, other than that he is a nervous (stupid) wreck, walking in front of moving cars!

Does anyone have experience of Zylkene at all?

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Fluffycloudland77 · 28/10/2013 20:34

He sprays if he sees another cat or if he's just had a fight. We'd just moved house so everything was foreign to him. Last time he did it I hadn't cleaned his tray out so did it in the ensuite. In-between moving he doesn't do it.

He never did it all in the first house we had because he was friends with the local cats so there was no stress. Since moving he's met cats who stick up to him.

I've used zylkene on ours, it was effective but seemed to give him a runny tummy.

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cozietoesie · 28/10/2013 20:43

jodee

If there had happened to be other cat(s) coming into the house (eg he'd smelled them) then yes, he would be nervous at unexpected movements or shapes.

I'd be looking to get a microchip cat flap fitted - Sureflap is the one used by most posters and is available online for just under £70. It's more expensive than an ordinary flap but is probably worth the money. It only allows in cats whose chips it has 'learned' and boy or no boy, you're going to find yourself on the local tom radar sooner or later.

That, together with a tray which would mean he didn't need to go out if he didn't want to, should help to make him feel more secure - and feeling that he was in a safe and secure place would hopefully, reduce/remove his need to spray and make him a more contented cat.

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jodee · 28/10/2013 20:54

thank you both for your advice, much appreciated.

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cozietoesie · 28/10/2013 21:07

Best of luck - and let us know how you get on.

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catameringue · 29/10/2013 07:46

Another thought is can you make him feel more secure at home?

Does he have a few high up places and high up beds he can sit in and act like the king of the room? Cats tend to feel safest the higher they are.

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Bakingtins · 29/10/2013 09:16

Please take him to the vet. I am actually quite Angry that you are at the point of rehoming him and you haven't ruled out a physical problem like FLUTD or bladder stones. It is immensely frustrating that the vet is the last port of call rather than the first, usually by the time we see a cat with this sort of problem it has been going on for months and often the self help measures have made things worse rather than better.

Once you have actually checked, rather than assuming, that he doesn't have a physical problem, then you can try the following.
You need to secure his core territory. If you have a cat flap then you may well have had an invader at some point which can trigger off this type of problem. A Sureflap is a good idea.
He may also be being bullied or intimidated by another cat in the surrounding gardens, so you need to provide at least one, and preferably several, tray(s) indoors so he has a valid option for toileting without going outside.
How does he get on with the other cats in your household? Even if there is no overt aggro there may be tensions there. Giving more access to resources (litter trays, food and water, hidey holes) can avoid conflict.
How you clean any spray marks is very important. Any cleaners containing bleach or ammonia contain similar chemical compounds to urine and will tend to encourage the cat to over-mark. If you leave behind the organic molecules that the cat's sensitive nose can detect, same thing happens. The best thing to use is a 10% solution of biological washing powder, followed by surgical spirit.
The pheromone/calming products can be very useful in cases where stress is the underlying problem and I'd probably use both together since you seem to be at breaking point with the problem. A feliway pheromone diffuser will calm all the cats down and help you establish his core terrritory as a happy place again, and I'd use either Zylkene or Calmex diet supplements for the boy only.

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tobiasfunke · 29/10/2013 09:29

We had a male cat who did this. He did it for about 4 years on and off until one of our other 2 cats died and then it just stopped overnight and he never did it again. They were never best of pals but they didn't seem to hate each other- it was def. a territory thing.
My sister homed 2 cats a brother and sister and when they were about 2.5 the male started spraying. They tried all sorts and sought advice from lots of people. The vet eventually told them that they often see this behaviour starting in cats of this age as some cats just aren't happy in multi-cat households. She preservered for about a year before the got him rehomed through the charity they got him from. Apparently he is a nice home by himself and no problems.

You need this or something similar //www.medicanimal.com/product?product_id=204378&locale=en_GB&ptc=googlebase&utm_source=uk_googlebase&utm_medium=uk_googlebase&utm_campaign=uk_googlebase&gclid=CJm6wsnYu7oCFdPItAod2hAA2g if you haven't tried it to get rid of the smell. You can get in Pets at Home and maybe the supermarket.

I sympathise it is really horrible and a constant battle.

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Bakingtins · 29/10/2013 12:46

Free pet owner webinar "Inappropriate toileting in cats" 8pm this Wednesday (30th Oct)
link to sign up

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jodee · 30/10/2013 17:03

Bakingtins, thanks for that link, and I will be taking him to the vet, appt booked, it just seems from how he has always been, that it's a stress thing.

tobias, thank you, I'm hoping we don't have to rehome, but that scenario sounds very similar (your sisters), I do think he would had been a different cat on his own.

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