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rats...and cats?

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elliott · 29/10/2011 15:30

I have (rather foolishly) raised the idea of pet rats with my dcs - they are very keen! However, we already have two cats. Is this madness? Or doable?
Any other hints and tips? How high maintenance are rats - what do you do when on holiday??
We have a spare room we could keep them in and could try to make sure the cats don't get in there - but will the cats be driven to distraction knowing they are there?

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notjustme · 30/10/2011 14:12

IME, I had cats long before I had rats, and although I have never given them the opportunity to prove otherwise, they are scared of my adult rats! I have cages all over the shop, and they rarely even look in the direction of the rats, I've had rats in carriers on the floor right next to a cat and they don't give them more than a glance.

It's a good idea to keep them in a spare room if you have one, not only because it means that the cats are kept away from them most of the time, but it also means that the rats have their own space, your dcs can let them out in there (assuming it's a safe room, no holes etc), and they won't disturb any sleep etc if the rats have a noisy night at any point.

However having said that my cats don't pay them any attention... never underestimate a predator, I would never allow my rats to run around in the same room as a cat or a dog, even if they've given no sign of being interested by them. You just can't assume that the rat won't do anything like nip the dog/cat in play/fear and antagonise the dog/cat into retaliating. It's not worth that risk especially if you can keep them separate :)

Holiday wise, assuming that you get your rats from a reputable breeder (which, of course, you should!) most breeders will happily acceptyour rats back for holidays, I very often have cages of rats here while their owners are away.

Maintenance wise, they need daily handling and time out of the cage, they need a good quality diet that includes fresh food, they need a good quality cage with good contents (beds and toys, but that doesn't mean expense, rats love cardboard boxes and tea towels strung up like hammocks as much as the expensive shop bought toys etc), they need a good quality bedding that's not pine or cedar based, and they need weekly cleaning. If you get a good quality cage and look after it there's no reason why it wouldn't last for years.

How old are your DCs? You should always assume that within a fairly short space of time, you'll be doing the cleaning and the feeding because they have a party/football/dance classes/tv/homework/anything else they can possibly do that isn't cleaning. Please don't think I'm being rude and that I'm a huge cynic, but 7 years of homing rats tells me that the parents who think their DCs will never lose interest are often very suprised when they are up to their elbows in rat poo a few months down the line.

I tend to recommend boys for young children (10 or under) and girls for older DCs, boys are usually much easier to handle, and much slower, so young kids feel more able to cope with them. Girls stereotypically are less easy to handle, don't like to sit still but that makes them much more entertaining for older children who can cope with the mayhem they can cause, running round generally getting themselves into trouble!

The big expense of rats come with vet bills (if they need them, but lots of rats will at some point in their lives) - rats are prone to things like respiratory infections and mammary lumps. You'll need to be prepared and willing to treat rats when they get ill, and I'd recommend encouraging good habit with your dcs and having a 'fund' that they save for future vet bills/big purchases (even if the money comes from you). I would say an average vet bill for a rat for a resp infection (one off) is approximately £35, and a lump removal can be anything from £60 through to over £100 depending on your vet and the location and size of the lump.

PM me if you need any further advice or a cage recommendation :)

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elliott · 30/10/2011 17:49

Many thanks for the info - lots of food for thought! Dcs are 10 and 8. How would we go about finding a breeder? (we are in Newcastle upon Tyne)

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notjustme · 30/10/2011 18:01

I'm not sure if she's still breeding but I strongly recommend a breeder called Alison Campbell (www.shunamiterats.co.uk) - if she is still breeding then her rats are lovely and last time I spoke to her she was still in newcastle.

If not, send an e-mail to [email protected] (just put in the body that you'd like a list of breeders) and they'll send you a file of all the breeders in the UK :)

Bear in mind, that the NFRS don't endorse breeders, so just because they are on the list, that doesn't make them a good breeder. You'll need to ask them questions about their husbandry and their breeding ethics...as a start, the questions below can help. Always ask to see not only the babies that you're looking to adopt but also their parents and at least some of the breeders other rats. Ask to see their cages, check that they are of reasonable cleanliness and all the rats have at least some food and water. If you are at all unhappy with what you see, don't buy the rats. Just as with every animal fancy in the world, there are some rat breeders who let the side down with poor standards.

How many animals do you have?
Do all animals get handled regularly?
Are all animals provided with time out of their cage regularly?
What kind of housing do you provide your animals with?
What variety of litter and bedding do you use?
How often are they cleaned out? What is your husbandry routine?
Are they kept in a suitable environment? (e.g. within the home, within a heated outbuilding).
What diet do you feed them? (Dry and Fresh)
How healthy in general are the rats you breed?
Are there any problems in your lines that might affect rats we have from you?
What is the general temperament of the rats you breed? How many have you had to have neutered due to poor temperament?
Will you provide ongoing support if I need it? What will happen if I can no longer keep a rat bought from you - will you take the rat back?
When you breed a litter, where are the babies housed?
How often are the babies handled and from what age?
What diet do you provide to babies and lactating mothers?
Do you cull babies in litters?
Do you cull adults or elderly rats?
Do you seek veterinary treatment for your animals? Can you recommend a vet for us (if living in the local area)?
Would you be happy for us to visit you to meet you and your rats before the babies are ready to leave?

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