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What do you make of this SALT assessment?

(21 Posts)
youarewinning Wed 29-Jan-14 16:05:36

DS (9) had an assesment today. SALT used whats happening,cause and effect and whats wrong cards.

This is what she picked up on:

DS literal thinking, that he learns by rules, relates everything to the rules he knows, needs to control whats happening, can deal with 2D better than 3D iyswim?, his expressive language is spot on but he lacks the bit he needs before this - eg gaps in his language development, he stutters when asked a question, his processing is slow and distorted and can miss things if too much info, he'll try and control a conversation, doesnt like eye contact from you and fleets around his eye contact to people, doesnt sit still. sees everything in black and white. But yet is highly intelligent and has fantastic vocab - despite his poor execcution of words, mispronounciations and mixed grammer. He uses she/he instead of the girl/boy etc.

Anyone recognise this?

PolterGoose Wed 29-Jan-14 16:10:58

Does he have an ASD dx?

youarewinning Wed 29-Jan-14 16:15:38

No DX, Camhs suggested SALT and school really felt he could do with assessment (new SENCo really knowledgeable) so referred.

Does it sound like ASD?

PolterGoose Wed 29-Jan-14 16:48:49

My ds has never had a decent SALT assessment but that could fit him, dx Aspergers.

StarlightMcKingsThree Wed 29-Jan-14 17:14:13

Well it doesn't rule it out. But ASD extremely wide-reaching in terms of who it can catch.

claw2 Wed 29-Jan-14 17:31:56

I think it shows that your ds has some gaps in his language development and it should warrant further investigation.

youarewinning Wed 29-Jan-14 18:05:10

Camhs have referred for assessment for ASD - citing Aspergers or possibly SCD.

As the SALT was explaining her findings I kept thinking what she was saying very much followed the 'criteria' (if you like) for ASD.

Sounds daft because I know no one can internet diagnose but having others say it's familiar to them who have children with an ASD prepares me as well as helps me accept it iyswim? (I still have my days when I doubt myself sad)

Am exhausted. Its hard when your pleased someone can see what you see but yet hard that they can see it and are saying that school need to be aware of it as he really needs to be spoken to in a specific way. She put a real empathise on it being necessary for awareness especially in secondary. And my favourite one - school must be aware he doesnt have the ability to lie so to give him time to explain and dont blame him because other children have the ability to defend their friends and create a dialogue that paints them in a good light! A time his say it as it is is seen as a positive thing. grin

Ineedmorepatience Wed 29-Jan-14 18:15:30

A decent SALT report made a big difference to me getting my voice heard about Dd3. Despite the fact that her school had completely missed her issues and had me down as paranoid.

It is good that your SENCO is on the ball and that the SALT picked up so many things.

Nobody wants their child to have SN's but when you know something is going on and noone is listening it is very hard.

Good luck smile

claw2 Wed 29-Jan-14 19:34:11

In my opinion SALT's should be involved in dxing ASD seen as it is a communication disorder. Particularly were difficulties are not blatantly obvious or severe.

It was a specialist SALT who dxed ds, well as good as, Paed just put his stamp on it. I am sure if it were left to a Paed alone or CAMHS, ds wouldn't have received a dx.

youarewinning Wed 29-Jan-14 20:43:20

I missed the vital bit she told me off the list on purpose because as I said I wanted to see others opinions - especially those with ASD.

She actually said DS lacks theory of mind. That was the point at which she said he'd need specialist understanding as he thinks and reacts to things differently. So I agree that salt should be involved because this is a major part of his communication difficulties and social understanding.

Although salt seemed very interested in the fact he sleepwalks confused

ouryve Wed 29-Jan-14 21:01:45

Sounds very similar to DS1, a couple of years ago (he's 10, now) though he sorted his pronouns out when he was about 5.

ouryve Wed 29-Jan-14 21:09:06

I don't know if you caught the Language For Thinking thread we had running in the middle of last year, btw. I wouldn't launch in immediately, since he's still being evaluated, but, particularly if there's not much help and support forthcoming, it would probably be worth you working through with him. It's something you can do yourself, with no waiting list, for about £30.

youarewinning Wed 29-Jan-14 21:13:36

Thanks ouryve I'm willing to look into anything that will help. I didn't see the thread - is it likely to still be there?

youarewinning Wed 29-Jan-14 21:30:00

Have found thread - going to read with interest after reading initial bit. Laughed at lougles cute DD2 as she reminds me of my own DS so much! Will be ordering book. Will also film him as seems to be a useful tool for others to see.

claw2 Wed 29-Jan-14 22:07:46

Youarewinning, my ds is 9, dxed with ASD

His last SALT assessment, sounds similar to yours and the SALT that assessed your ds sounds like she knows her job.

Ds can use complex sentence structures, but struggles to grasp underlying meaning of situations. Speaks at length about irrelevant details. Misses key issues and gives tangential responses. He doesnt understand relationships of people or the emotions or feelings of others. No theory of mind.

Difficulties processing language which is complex or abstract. Literal and inflexible understanding and difficulties understanding word meaning.

Talks at length about repetitive themes. Grammatical difficulties such as 'mistaked'

He has what SALT describes as 'complex language and learning needs against a background of high academic potential'

Ds can be very articulate, then he will say things such as 'very helpfuller' instead of 'helpful' apparently 'helpfuller' is when someone has been extremely helpful or he cannot remember names of things, like today 'the thing you hit the ball with' meaning a tennis racket.

youarewinning Wed 29-Jan-14 22:16:29

Thanks claw. I got the impression this salt was extremely clued up.

Straightaway after about 5 minutes she knew immediately what my DS would be able to answer and what would challenge him. Noticed every little detail that builds the bigger picture and yes seemed to really hint that DS language difficulties were complex. Mentioned he's highly intelligent too. She was insistent her report would be absolutely essential for DS as he moves to secondary as he'd need a specialist understanding of how he thinks.

claw2 Wed 29-Jan-14 22:25:15

Its brilliant when you get a SALT who 'gets it' and knows what she/he should be looking for.

Good luck.

AgnesDiPesto Wed 29-Jan-14 22:37:12

It sounds like semantic and pragmatic language impairment. As far as I understand it can occur with or without ASC. Many children with ASC will have these difficulties but you can have them without the other autism symptoms (impairment in social interest, repetitive or restricted behaviours). Lots of these conditions overlap. The boundaries can be pretty blurred.

claw2 Wed 29-Jan-14 23:03:10
ouryve Wed 29-Jan-14 23:22:59

I had to go outside of MN search and consult auntie google smile

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/special_needs/a1763581-Language-for-Thinking?msgid=40619160

youarewinning Fri 31-Jan-14 22:32:20

Thank you all. Have looked at all links and will be getting that book when DS dla next comes in.

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