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Need advice re: marital rape

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Emz8914 · 31/03/2015 14:33

Me and my husband have been together 4 and a half years, we have a 7 month old son.
Over two and half years, whilst TTC out son, he raped me on a number occasions, he had a habitual drink problem and would come home waking me up to start an argument/just to shout at and lecture me about why I am a terrible person, and then sometimes he'd rape me. There was a particularly nasty night where he had almost suffocated me and dragged me from the bathroom back to the bedroom in a head lock and made me do things I didn't want to. He kept saying through out if he couldn't make me pregnant with love he'd get me pregnant through fear. This was the last time it happened, now over a year ago and I found out I was pregnant two weeks later (though thankfully ive been able to convince myself this is not when I concieved my son). I didn't think I'd ever become a mother because of fertility issues, we were on our 9th round of clomid and had already been through a miscarriage. Our wedding was also 6 weeks later after the attack. I just feel so humiliated still, the thought of cancelling the wedding and being pressured into aborting my baby, of the truth coming out or people talking about me was my worst nightmare. I'd been able to sweep all the incidents before under the carpet an just pretend they hadn't happened so I tried to do it again and carry on like normal.
After the wedding he carried on drinking heavily on our honeymoon, two nights he left me alone in our hotel to go out drinking alone, i was terrified he would do it again. The first night I locked myself in the bathroom and the second night he punched me in the head and threatened the hit me in the stomach (I was three months pregnant) and I'd ran down to the reception to get away from him and they asked me if I wanted to call the police. The only reason I said no was that we were due to fly back two days later, they warned me where we were my husband would be kept in police custody for three days - this meant flying home alone and coming up with an explanation for where he was and why.
I know it's pathetic of me but I just couldn't bring myself to tell anyone or to get help. I just wanted to concentrate on my baby who i wanted for so long. When we got back it was as if he had a wake up call and he stopped drinking. We moved much closer to my family - I said it was because of the baby but really I did this so that I could run to them if I ever felt in danger again. I was very down about it for months and would cry driving home from work. Once I started maternity leave it was like I could finally lock it up in a box and concentrate on becoming a mother. I felt close to my husband again somehow, and he was there when I gave birth to our son and he has been a completely hands on dad and dotes on our boy.
I would say he was around 4 months old when I started having nightmares and flash backs. There are just so many negative thoughts and questions running riot in my head - like he insists each time he raped me he cannot remember what he did as he was soooo drunk. Surely if he was so pissed he blacked out he would have been incapable of keeping me up and doing what he did for over six hours after he stopped drinking and come home? He's aware of how I feel, keeps telling me I'm depressed and blaming my contraceptive pill, every day he tries to carry on as normal as if I might snap out of it, every night he tells me he's still the same man I fell in love with. He's tried getting me to tell him how I feel, but how can i!!! he is the very last person I want to talk to about it! He turns it into being all about him and makes it seem as if it was only "one mistake" as if all the other "mistakes" leading up to it never happened or not as bad as I make out? I know I want him to leave but haven't got a back bone or any guts to just make it happen. I would have, and still would tell anyone in similar circumstances to run a mile but when faced with it myself it just feel so hopeless! Most days I just want everything to end so I don't have to think about it anymore, I worry that without my son I could really hurt myself. I keep looking at forums such as this for any one with similar experiences, I keep looking at sites such as rape crisis and wondering about counselling. I've checked how I could afford to live just lb and me in a new home on my wages and income support etc. I Just can't find the strength to get him to leave or ask for help. thinking of telling my parents makes me feel sick. I've tried thinking of how I could end my marriage and lie to my family about why.
This is really hard to write down let alone talk to anyone about. If you got this far then thanks for reading.

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pumpkinpie5 · 31/03/2015 14:37

I'm so sorry.your situation sounds awful. I had some similar issues - though no where near as bad. If you search my threads I got so much great advice.

I highly recommend counselling. I have felt so supposed and like you, couldn't tell anyone else. I am still having counselling but feel a lot stronger and I really think it would benefit you.

Sending lots of luck. Stay strong x

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pumpkinpie5 · 31/03/2015 14:38

Supported

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pocketsaviour · 31/03/2015 14:43

I'm so sorry you've had to go through this. I strongly suggest you see your GP and ask to be referred for counselling. You don't have to give the GP details. I think a counsellor will be able to talk this through with you and help you decide what you want to do.

Are your family supportive generally? If you were to tell them that he had been violent to you (which after all is completely true) without mentioning the rapes, how would they react?

Please don't feel ashamed of what has happened to you. I know it's easy for me to say now, but shame keeps victims quiet and keeps them from accessing support. It kept me quiet for years. Now I shout from the rooftops that I'm a survivor. Funnily enough, nobody I've told has ever said "Ergh, you should be ashamed of yourself." Flowers

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pocketsaviour · 31/03/2015 14:44

I also think it would be very useful to contact Womens Aid and see what support they can give you.

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nottheOP · 31/03/2015 14:49

Please do talk to someone. If it was your daughter or friend, you'd want them to confide in you and you'd try to help them. You wouldn't judge them.

His drinking is not an excuse and if he is blaming the drink and then continuing to drink, knowing what happens as a result, he's making a choice to hurt you.

I hope you find the strength to get out and realise you're worth more

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pinkfrocks · 31/03/2015 14:50

You need to talk to the people at Womens Aid. It is your best hope of support - and maybe leaving asap to live with friends or family if you can.
There is no way you and your child ought to be with this man.

I don't know how to advise you to tell your family but if you were my daughter I'd want you to!

Could you make one call to WA and one to your parents and at least say you are very unhappy and want to talk to them? I am sure once you have taken that first step it will all become easier and everyone will support you.

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Underthedeepblueocean · 31/03/2015 14:54

It does get easier although I am just so sorry for you. This also happened to me and over time it made me feel like an object and not a person. Difficult to explain. I just convinced myself it was ok. Obviously it wasn't.

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Mandatorymongoose · 31/03/2015 15:07

You are so much stronger than you think.

You've been through some awful things but you are still here, you're still getting through each day, you're taking care of your child, even though it feels like it's too much you're still doing it. You are amazing.

Depression saps our strength, it uses up so much energy, it's not a failure that you haven't managed to leave or ask him to, it just needs more reserves of energy than you've had so far. But you can get that strength - from other people, from people here, from your family, from women's aid, from your GP and counselling - all of these people, if you can just take the step of talking to them they'll help you. They'll help give you strength to make the choices that you want to make about your life, to do the things that will make life easier and happier for you. To help you start to deal with and cope with all of the things you've so far been carrying all by yourself.

Thanks you've coped with so much OP, let other people help you a bit now.

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hellsbellsmelons · 31/03/2015 15:27

Please call rape crisis and discuss this with them.
Also go and see your GP. From what you say you are suffering from PTSD!!
As a PP has said, contact Womens Aid as well, they can help you through this.
Please, if you can, confide in someone in real life. A close friend or relative you can trust.
You've been through a lot. You need some help and support now!
Get what ever help you can.
If you ever find you are strong enough you can report your 'D'H for what he put you through.

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turbonerd · 31/03/2015 15:39

I'm so sorry this happened to you. It is truly awful and no you dont sound pathetic for dealing with it the best way you could.
The shame is not yours, but it is usual to have this strong feeling. Please dont let it keep you from talking. I found also that talking to someone outside of my family was easiest to begin with, contact Womens aid, rape crisis, your gp, they will all be able to listen and support you.
Dont feel weak please, you are not and you have coped as well as anyone. It must have been such a shock too.
I wish you more strength to get away from him. He will always minimise. Mine has now minimised it all away so efficiently that to him none of it ever happened. It did though. I'm justmentioning that to encourage yoyou never to doubt yourself.

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snowflake02 · 31/03/2015 15:57

I'm so sorry for what you have been through. I recently separated from my husband who raped me, though it was no where near as horrific as what you describe. Women's Aid, Rape Crisis and seeing a therapist have been enormously helpful to me. I would never have found the strength to end it if it wasn't for them and all the support I found here.

Please do not feel ashamed. The shame is all his. You deserve so much better than this.

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Emz8914 · 31/03/2015 17:22

Thank you all for your supportive messages, it feels such a relief just reading them.

I've never thought about just telling my parents he is violent and not mentioning the rapes. I guess ive never really thought of him as violent, but he is to do what he did. I think that would be the easier way to explain to my family, at least for now. I get very nervous about letting them down or burdening them - and it's ridiculous as they really are the most supportive and loving family I could ask for! i appreciate them so much I just dread telling them anything bad. They paid for a massive chunk of our wedding and the honeymoon was a gift from them - I feel like I've let them down massively for going ahead with the wedding, there was time to cancel and we could have scraped some money back, they saved really hard to put towards it. and I know if it was my son I wouldn't care about the money over his happiness, but I can't shift the guilt at all the investment they made in us, and they really like my husband and get on so well with him.

Anyway I know this just can't carry on. I'm not happy, my son shouldn't have to be brought up in the middle of all this, I want better for both of us.

Ive made an appointment for GP next week, and I'm going to start sorting paperwork etc out while he is at work tonight, maybe if I can get our stuff separated it might be easier telling him to go. If I could just leave I would but this house is in the same street as my parents who I rely on for child care when I go to work, I don't think id feel comfortable coming and going if he was so close by.

This is what I'm struggling with, it's the confrontation at the end. I worry that he will just refuse to go or he'll take my car or keep his house key...

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Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost · 31/03/2015 19:07

Ems. To say this man is a disgrace would be my biggest understatement.
You don't need me or anyone else to tell you what he has done to you is a very very serious crime.
As others have said you've been through one of the worse possible things a women can go through. It's impossible to cope alone.
Maybe not place to say but he should be locked up or if I ran the legal system he'd be castrated! Not only is he a danger to you. He'sca danger to all women. I shudder at the thought of this dirty Beast walking the streets, but whether you prosecute is your decision.
Please call women aid.
Love and support Flowers

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pinkfrocks · 31/03/2015 19:19

Maybe initially you need to live with your parents? It would be safer because if you move somewhere on your own it may be difficult if he wants access to your son. You need some legal advice too because although he will have a right to see his son, this has to be balanced against his behaviour towards you which could mean he loses that right- it will be a court matter at the end of the day given his record of violence.
If you stay with him even for a few days please keep a diary of his behaviour towards you- but I'd implore you to leave for the safety of your family. You should not be alone in your home when you tell him you want to leave and divorce. He is violent and you would be at risk.

In your shoes I'd leave and do it without him knowing your plans.

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pocketsaviour · 31/03/2015 21:46

YY to PPs suggestions to please have someone with you (preferably someone assertive and physically strong) when you do tell him it's over.

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weedinthepool · 31/03/2015 22:00

Hello OP, hope you are ok. I have been through something similar to you, you can search through my threads or PM me if you want but I am 6 months out of my marriage and it is the best decision I have ever made.

You can do this and the fog will lift.

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hellsbellsmelons · 01/04/2015 10:37

Please don't feel guilty.
If my DD had been through what you had I would absolutely want to know and I would want to help her.
Give them that opportunity to help you to get away and to support you as much as they can.
I'd be totally heart broken to find out my DD had kept all this from me.
I'm her mum and I'd want to be there for her no matter what had happened.
Talk to your mum as soon as you feel ready. She is waiting to help you. It's what she is there for and what she wants to do.

Ask him to leave but with someone there. If we won't you can always threaten him with police involvement regarding the numerous rapes and the violence.

Your last post is already sounding so much stronger.
You can do this and you have the support network to help you through it.
Use them!

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Underthedeepblueocean · 01/04/2015 14:38

How are you? Flowers

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Emz8914 · 01/04/2015 16:30

To be honest I'm just the same. I didn't get anything done last night just sat around crying like a lunatic once my son was asleep. My dad came over to see me and I just couldn't imagine ever bringing it up, so just carried on with normal conversation. Then he went home and I just felt lonely and pathetic again. To be honest I am worried about living alone as I've done it before and did not enjoy it. If I could go to my parents house I would but they really don't have room for both me and my son, and I don't want my husband living across the street from me after the split, I'd rather he leave and then he'll be further away.

Considered ringing WA or rape crisis like suggested, but really what can they say that is going to help? I can't imagine anyone telling me anything I haven't already thought of and suddenly finding the strength to change things.
Even telling my mum, I've imagined telling her hundreds of times but when it comes to actually doing anything about it I just freeze up. Wish this just never happened.

I still have the GP appointment for next week but in finding that really daunting. I'm sorry reading through all your messages and then this response from me I feel like a massive waste of time. I thought if I just put it out there id find the next steps come easier but they don't.

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hellsbellsmelons · 01/04/2015 16:42

Don't beat yourself up about this.
Just 'getting it out there' is a massive step.
Small steps in your own good time and you will get there.
The feelings of your own guilt - although completely misplaced - won't just go away over night.

Rape Crisis and Womens Aid can help in all sorts of ways.
Please do call them. It should help you massively!

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Singleandproud · 01/04/2015 16:47

Lots of good advice above.

Financially I'm sure you will be much better off without him.
Here's a breakdown of what I receive to give you an idea:
Wages (25hrs a week term time only so my wages are spread over a yr) £630 a month
Child Tax Credit & Working Tax (£500 a month, my DD dance school are registered under Ofstead as a childcare provider so £28 of this goes to childcare/dance lessons)
Housing benefit (2 bed council flat I pay £228 a month) £48 HB
Child benefit £80 month
Maintenance £133 a month

If your wages/ work hours are similar to mine that gives you £1391 a month - plenty to live on, we don't have a car or sky etc but enough for healthy food, and days out. So is probably not as bad as you think. You will be able to manage on your own, once you leave your self esteem will start to rebuild, you don't want to bring your DS up in that environment.

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TheListingAttic · 01/04/2015 17:13

OP, please keep posting and keep reading the responses, even if you the next steps aren't immediately getting easier or more obvious. I wish any of us could write something that would automatically make this easier, but you're living through a horrible situation and it's unfortunately not going to feel easier instantly. But there's people on here who have wise words and lots of practical advice, and you sound like you could really use all the support you can get, so please keep posting, even if you're just talking things through, and the actual practical steps don't seem to be getting any more manageable quite yet.

If nothing else (yet) use us to practice talking about things. I think making the step of telling people in real life (such as your parents) is an important one, and will actually help you a lot - but I completely understand everything you've said about why that feels so difficult, so keep talking here for now, till you find a way to articulate it to them. It sounds like they'll give you the support you need when you do build up to reaching out.

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SelfLoathing · 01/04/2015 20:46

Sorry this happened to you.

I agree with whoever said it sounds like you are suffering from PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder). Flashbacks is a classic symptom. I would speak to your GP and get referred for some treatment for the PTSD whatever else you do.

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Emz8914 · 17/04/2015 23:50

Update:

Last night he was pestering me about my "low moods" and "lack of affection" - and after talking of the reality of everything that's happened (this is similar to conversations we had lots recently) he announced he doesn't know how to make this better (told him before that he can't - not like he can go back in time not drink and un-attack me) and he is going to sort himself out and leave. He slept in the spare bedroom (he's been either doing that or sleeping with our son in between us for a long time), in the morning we were both up early for work but he was out the door fairly quickly without saying anything to me.

I've not been upset - last night and this morning I felt a bit of relief. Baby slept well and i think I did too for once. I had hoped that when me and my son got home (I took him out straight after work) that my husband would have already packed some things and left, but he's still here...My son is at my mums tonight, I had planned on telling her tomorrow.

After dropping my son off ive done my cleaning and now in living room, the entire time husband has kept himself to the spare room for a few hours then came down and asked if I wanted to split and I told him I think that would be best, so we have (weirdly very calmly) talked about what to do next. He wanted to move out next week after sorting a car out and I've told him I'd rather he left quickly than drag it out a week, I want to tell my parents after he has gone so that I don't have them trying to talk us down from splitting then end up having to tell them the truth (tbh I am just not ready to tell them). If the truth does come out I don't want him here when it happens - more for that I don't want the extra stress of a scene if they find out and he is only across the street.

I think he has clicked that if he doesn't leave I'm going to tell someone eventually. Now I just hope he sticks to his word and goes quickly and quietly.

He has asked about contact with our son. I really want him out of both our lives tbh but have just left it at he will txt me when he wants to make arrangements - I've said no to maintenance.

I never did go to the GP last week, but feel like I can seek out councelling once he is gone.

Feel relieved but like this could all by wiped away like the conversations never happened, hopefully by the time the weekend has gone this will be over and done with.

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MmeMorrible · 18/04/2015 00:04

Emz I'm full of admiration for you. You have been through such an ordeal at the hands of your H and yet you have picked up the pieces and here you are calmly sorting out your life. Your son is lucky to have you as his mother.

I really hope things go smoothly as your H moves out and you feel able to open up to your family. Thanks

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