Rearrangement advice needed

[JadeFeather]

Hi
Please could you look at the pic attached and tell me how we could include a bathroom by possibly taking some space from the bedrooms/landing? I've seen many properties with less square footage that have three bedrooms and a small bathroom. Any advice appreciated. Thanks

[lalalonglegs]

The easiest place to have it (depending where the drains/soil pipe are) would be across the back wall of the main bedroom where the big black structure (chimney breast?) is. If this can be easily removed, you could cut off a section of the room that stretched about 2.3m from the far wall towards the stairs, allowing a 90cm turning area to get into the remaining room. Could you create a window where the (?) chimney breast currently is?

[wowfudge]

Take a bit of both of the bigger bedrooms with a door off the landing between the two. The bathroom would have an external wall so could have a window and you'd still have good sized rooms.

[lalalonglegs]

I'm assuming, btw, that you would not be able to create another doorway into the main bedroom because the stairs are in the way but this isn't completely clear from the floorplan.

[JadeFeather]

Thanks that's where I was thinking also. It would be a long narrow bathroom (10.6' x 4.5'?) with the bath tub horizontally and sink and loo all in a line. Would this look odd? Or is there another way that I'm missing?

[JadeFeather]

Wowfudge that was my initial idea but wouldn't it make the rooms odd shaped?

[lalalonglegs]

So you can make another entrance into the main room? I think 130cm is too narrow - I'd make it a bit wider (a standard bath is 170cm so you could add another 40cm and get the bath in width ways although I used a 160cm bath tub in a development and you couldn't have told it was short by looking at it). If you want to keep as much bedroom as possible, you could put in a full length bath across the bathroom and just build out around the tub so the rest of the room is narrower and then fill in the kink on the bedroom side with wardrobes, iyswim. (I wish I had some means of drawing it, it would be much easier to show you what I mean.)

[JadeFeather]

I would like to keep as much of the bedroom as possible 17 feet is very long. I think 12 is probably the minimum I would want though.
Fitting wardrobes in the kinks is also something I though off but I imagine they would be narrow but pretty deep. Never seen anything like that so wasn't sure.

[JadeFeather]

We aren't bath tub users so I would be happy with a smaller tub. Just want to keep one for kids really.

[lalalonglegs]

Most important thing is to work out where the soil pipe is to see if it's possible. Is there a lavatory in the area roughly underneath where you are thinking of relocating the bathroom? If so, that will make it a lot easier.

[JadeFeather]

The downstairs bathroom is actually in the bottom left hand corner of that floor plan.
I will of course have to take into account costs but just wondering at this stage whether and how it could be done

[wowfudge]

Thought it looked the best option to have a decent sized bathroom - you can put the bed head against the wall that backs onto the stairs in the slightly smaller main bedroom and put wardrobes in the internal corner formed by the section taken out for the bathroom. Alternatively use the smallest bedroom and carve the second one into two - possibly not using all the smallest bedroom for a bathroom. But then you might be looking at removing internal walls.

[JadeFeather]

What about this layout : www.victoriana.com/Bathroom/small-bathroom-plans.html
Either at the back of the main room or In between the two big rooms. In the kinks could we then have small walk in type wardrobes as they would be fairly deep (in line with the bathroom) but narrow. Can't imagine having cupboards in that type of space?

[lalalonglegs]

I think that layout is more or less unusable. How old are your children? Could you just put in a large shower instead? You're going to struggle to get the bathroom in where I suggested if the plumbing is all in the furthest part of the house. You could build the bathroom directly above its current location, knock the second bedroom into the main bedroom and then, if then put in a window into the remainder of the main bedroom if the exterior walls allow at the side or at the back where the chimney breast is.

[JadeFeather]

Yeah that's possible. I just don't like the idea of giving away too much space to the bathroom at the expense of smaller rooms. The main bedrooms would become about 8' wide which I feel is too narrow :(

[JadeFeather]

No kids as yet but planning to start a family soon and my understanding is a tub would be helpful!

[lalalonglegs]

I'm getting far too invested in this but my final suggestion would be an extension at the back of the landing or you might be able to turn the stairs so that you arrive on the first floor at the corner between the main bedroom and the second bedroom. You might then be able to squeeze a bathroom at the back of the landing.

[JadeFeather]

Thanks. I appreciate your help.

[TalkinPeace]

FWIW My bathroom is 115cm wide and 2.4 m long
I have the toilet across the end with built in cistern / cupboards
then a 40 cm gap to the basin (half recess into cupboards and worktop with hidden durgo)
and a 60 cm gap (with rad under window)
to the shower.
Nobody has ever noticed - in 7 years - that the door cannot open fully because of the basin

a friend has a shower room that is 85cm wide but similar layout - I know the size because I did not believe her!!!

[JeffreySadsacIsUnwell]

Can't tell without seeing the ground floor plan and knowing dimensions of landings, ceiling heights etc, but my first thought would be to flip the stairs (as lala also suggests) and move the bedroom doorways to the front, with a small bathroom at the back. Looks approx the same width as the back left bedroom, so it would be about 7' - just about big enough for a tub, or you could go for a 3/4 or corner space saver?

If you have a loft, would you consider a loft conversion at some point? You don't need the three bedrooms right now, so if you ended up with 2.5 bedrooms and a bathroom for the moment, you'd still have a spare room and a cot room, with the potential to add a decent bedroom by the time you need three good-sized rooms?