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end of YR1 writing - what's "normal" and what's not???

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toccatanfudge · 02/07/2010 21:37

Got DS2's school report today - all very positive (as I expected ........actually I see his teacher regularly when I go in for assemblies so she keeps me uptodate lol)

Anyhow, there's on bit in there that I'm a little concerned about, but it's Friday - so I can't ask her about it until Monday.....

"his handwriting is improving and although some of his letters are reversed and many are not correctly formed, they are legible"

Writing has been his weakest thing since he started school.

Is it still normal for them to be getting their letters reversed and not forming them correctly at the end of YR1?

The other thing is he's VERY slow at his written work, like it's a bloody great effort for him (anything that's doesn't involve actual writing he whizzes through).

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Themasterandmargaritas · 02/07/2010 21:40

Sounds the same as my ds just finishing yr 1, he does reverse letters. He doesn't much enjoy writing, he'd much rather do maths.

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toccatanfudge · 02/07/2010 21:49

my mum is dyslexic, and although obvoiusly times have changed and it's now picked up and help given where needed it's a bit of a worry for me as she was in her 30's before she realised she wasn't "thick" - she was dyslexic.

He really loves school (so much so that after he'd been up 2 nights in a row in floods of tears with a sore throat and ear ache he whinged when I kept him off school ) but the writing thing is a real struggle.

I'm not really sure what's "normal" for end of YR1, as although DS1 was hopeless at writing in reception (and reading, and maths and everything else lol) by the end of YR1 his hand writing was amazing. And when he went up to Juniors in YR3 he was the first child in his year to be given a pen to use in his work as his handwriting was deemed to be worthy of it. (and his handwriting now puts mine to shame and he's still only 9 1/2 lol).

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crisproll · 02/07/2010 21:51

I would expecting a further next steps comment as to what the school will be doing to help ensure your DS does form his letters properly. Good letter formation comes from lots of practice but has to be supervised very closely (by teacher!)
Your DS`s fine motor control may not be fully developed as yet, but this is perfectly normal. This will mean that he will find writing quite a laborious task as he may find pencil control quite hard. This can be encouraged at home with colouring in, tracing cards and pencil patterns, all of which can be bought even at supermarkets.
I know how worrying it is. My DS

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mrz · 02/07/2010 21:53

Very normal for Y1 & 2 children to have some reversals

I would recommend lots of time in the park over the summer - monkey bars and cartwheels

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crisproll · 02/07/2010 21:54

whoops! Posted a bit too early... MY DSs handwriting is dreadful and I really do despair of it ever improving but I know it will eventually! Its just hard to know whats normal. All children develop different skills at different times.

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Themasterandmargaritas · 02/07/2010 21:54

I don't think there is necessarily a 'normal' at this stage, some can do better than others and those not as good at letter formation may well catch up in a very short time.

It doesn't sound as if the teacher is too concerned. See what she says on Monday. Perhaps she can give you some reinforcing exercises to do over the holidays.

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toccatanfudge · 02/07/2010 22:08

thanks everyone.

mrz - I don't think I'll have much over time at the park - he's just learned to ride a bike so we have to make regular trips there, and then DS3 wants to go on the playground bit so they all go and play with him.

His fine motor skills are pretty good - he colours in really well at home,

But then I think part of the reason my mum was so late to be diagnosed is because she could read brilliantly (she taught me and my brother to read before we started school), it was just her writing and spelling that was bad (but REALLY bad) and actually my brother is dyslexic too (but was more than just the writing/spelling for him)

Gah - I'm probably worrying over nothing, just needed some wise words of wisdom from MNers

I'll speak to her on Monday and see what she says.

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TheFallenMadonna · 02/07/2010 22:10

DD is at the same stage and still reversing. Ds only really stopped this year (year 4). I wouldn't necessarily fret yet.

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toccatanfudge · 02/07/2010 22:18

Thanks TFM

so hard to judge when your - generally average - oldest child has among the best hand writing in his entire school year

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TheFallenMadonna · 02/07/2010 22:19

See, I'm worried that I'm at the other end of the spectrum. Because DS, until recently, probably had the worst handwriting in his year.

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MavisEnderby · 02/07/2010 22:21

ds still gets d and b mixed up and reverses lots of his numbers.

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toccatanfudge · 02/07/2010 22:24

this parenting malarky is a right PITA at times isn't it TFM

You see I've got DS1 fabulous at handwriting, hovering above average in all his subjects at school............but literally only JUST (in the last week) started being dry every night.

Then DS2 great at maths, and sporty, but then he was dry at night at 3 1/2yrs.

And dear little DS3 just turned 3 and still in nappies all the time .......but everyone (bar his own father ) understands every word he says and laughs at his fabulous sense of humour


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Elibean · 02/07/2010 22:25

dd gets d and b reversed too, and a few of her numbers. She can write her own name in beautiful, elegant, joined up script - the rest (because she finds it laborious, is hot and tired, and can't be bothered!) tends to vary from good to awful

And she has excellent fine motor skills.

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Malaleuca · 03/07/2010 00:48

Some children (actually quite a few) devise idiosyncratic ways of writing some of the letters. This can persist for a long time, until they begin join-up writing when there is a window of opportunity for changes to be made.

Once letter formation is automatised it is VERY difficult to change.

It is very important to get it right from the start.

Consider a teacher in a class - she/he cannot observe every child all the time so children get many more opportunities to make errors than to do these small things correctly. So parents have a critical role to play in observing and correcting before errors are made, especially if they have taught some or all letters before child goes to school (eg in their name)

Pencil grips can also be inefficient and again, difficult to change once estabished. This may also turn out to be a problem down the track. (slow writing - you need to write fast in exams)

Allowing children to use block capitals can be difficult to change. I have one boy at the moment in G2 who tells me I am wrong when I point out his capitals all over the place. He is simply more comfortable with what he has already learnt, reluctant to change.(aren't we all). So his understanding of capitalisation for sentence beginning and proper nouns is compromised.

So in my view this is a case of sweat the small stuff!

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toccatanfudge · 03/07/2010 09:08

thanks Malaleuca - his use of capitals, full stops, and the other such stuff that they're expected to know about at this stage are all fine, it's just the way he forms his letters (and writes them in reverse) and the speed of his work that seem to be the issue.

His older brother (the one with the fab hand writing) taught him to (almost) write his own name before he started school I (just like with DS1 - and no doubt the same with DS3) did nothing before he started schoool on that front.

It's a very good school and the teachers are very good - and I really should stop fretting, I'm sure they would tell me if there was a real problem.

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mrz · 03/07/2010 13:55

toccatanfudge I suggested the park to improve his writing as I didn't have time to give you a complete list. It doesn't matter how good his fine motor skills are if his gross motor isn't developed and monkey bars are a great way from strengthening the shoulder girdle for writing which could explain why he is slow (and it probably is a great effort)

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mrz · 03/07/2010 14:07

Activities To Develop Handwriting Skills
There are significant prerequisites for printing skills that begin in infancy and continue to emerge through the preschool years. The following activities support and promote fine motor and visual motor development:
Body Stability
The joints of the body need to be stable before the hands can be free to focus on specific skilled fine motor tasks.
Wheelbarrow walking, crab walking, and wall push-ups.
Toys: Orbiter, silly putty, and monkey bars on the playground.

Fine Motor Skills
When a certain amount of body stability has developed, the hands and fingers begin to work on movements of dexterity and isolation as well as different kinds of grasps. Children will develop fine motor skills best when they work on a VERTICAL or near vertical surface as much as possible. In particular, the wrist must be in extension. (Bent back in the direction of the hand)
Attach a large piece of drawing paper to the wall. Have the child use a large marker and try the following exercises to develop visual motor skills:Make an outline of a one at a time. Have the child trace over your line from left to right, or from top to bottom. Trace each figure at least 10 times . Then have the child draw the figure next to your model several times.
Play connect the dots. Again make sure the child's strokes connect dots fromleft to right, and from top to bottom.
Trace around stencils - the non-dominant hand should hold the stencil flat and stable against the paper, while the dominant hand pushes the pencil firmly against the edge of the stencil. The stencil must be held firmly.
Attach a large piece of felt to the wall, or use a felt board. The child can use felt shapes to make pictures. Magnetic boards can be used the same way.
Have the child work on a chalkboard, using chalk instead of a marker. Do the same kinds of tracing and modeling activities as suggested above.
Paint at an easel. Some of the modeling activities as suggested above can be done at the easel.
Magna Doodle- turn it upside down so that the erasing lever is on the . Experiment making vertical, horizontal, and parallel lines.

Ocular Motor Control
This refers to the ability of the eyes to work together to follow and hold an object in the line of vision as needed.
Use a flashlight against the ceiling. Have the child lie on his/her back or tummy and visually follow the moving light from left to right, to bottom, and diagonally.
Find hidden pictures in books. (There are special books for this.)
Maze activities.

Eye-hand Coordination
This involves accuracy in placement, direction, and spatial awareness.
Throw bean bags/kooshi balls into a hula hoop placed flat on the floor. Gradually increase the distance.
Play throw and catch with a ball . Start with a large ball and work toward a smaller ball. (Kooshi balls are easier to catch than a tennis ball.)
Practice hitting bowling pins with a ball. (You can purchase these games or make your own with pop bottles and a small ball.)
Play "Hit the Balloon" with a medium-sized balloon.

Sensory Activities
The following activities ought to be done frequently to increase postural muscle strength and endurance. These activities also strengthen the child's awareness of his/her hands.
Wheelbarrow walking, crab walking
Clapping games (loud/quiet, on knees together, etc.)
Catching (clapping) bubbles between hands
Pulling off pieces of thera-putty with individual fingers and thumb
Drawing in a tactile medium such as wet sand, salt, rice, or "goop". Make "goop" by adding water to cornstarch until you have a mixture similar in consistency to toothpaste. The "drag" of this mixture provides feedback to the muscle and joint receptors, thus facilitating visual motor control.
Picking out small objects like pegs, beads, coins, etc., from a tray of salt, sand, rice, or putty. Try it with eyes closed too. This helps develop sensory awareness in the hands.

Midline Crossing
Establishment of hand dominance is still developing at this point. The following activities will facilitate midline crossing:
Encourage reaching across the body for materials with each hand. It may be necessary to engage the other hand in an activity to prevent switching hands at midline.
Refrain specifically from discouraging a child from using the left hand for any activity. Allow for the natural development of hand dominance by presenting activities at midline, and allowing the child to choose freely.
Start making the child aware of the left and right sides of his body through spontaneous comments like, "kick the ball with your right leg." Play imitation posture games like "Simon Says" with across the body movements.
When painting at easel, encourage the child to paint a continuous line across the entire paper- also from diagonal to diagonal.

Things to remember:

Upright working surfaces promote fine motor skills. Examples of these are: vertical chalkboards; easels for painting; flannel boards; lite bright; magnet boards (or fridge); windows and mirrors; white boards, etc. Children can also make sticker pictures; do rubber ink-stamping; use reuseable stickers to make pictures; complete puzzles with thick knobs; use magna-doodle and etch-a-sketch as well. The benefits for these include: having the child's wrist positioned to develop good thumb movements; they help develop good fine motor muscles; the child is using the arm and shoulder muscles.


You can probably ignore these if his fine motor skills are developed

Fine Motor Activities
Moulding and rolling play dough into balls - using the palms of the hands facing each other and with fingers curled slightly towards the palm.
Rolling play dough into tiny balls (peas) using only the finger tips.
Using pegs or toothpicks to make designs in play dough.
Cutting play dough with a plastic knife or with a pizza wheel by holding the implement in a diagonal volar grasp.
Tearing newspaper into strips and then crumpling them into balls. Use to stuff scarecrow or other art creation.
Scrunching up 1 sheet of newspaper in one hand. This is a super strength builder.
Using a plant sprayer to spray plants, (indoors, outdoors) to spray snow (mix food colouring with water so that the snow can be painted), or melt "monsters". (Draw monster pictures with markers and the colours will run when sprayed.)
Picking up objects using large tweezers such as those found in the "Bedbugs" game. This can be adapted by picking up Cheerios, small cubes, small marshmallows, pennies, etc., in counting games.
Shaking dice by cupping the hands together, forming an empty air space between the palms.
Using small-sized screwdrivers like those found in an erector set.
Lacing and sewing activities such as stringing beads, Cheerios, macaroni, etc.
Using eye droppers to "pick up" coloured water for colour mixing or to make artistic designs on paper.
Rolling small balls out of tissue paper, then gluing the balls onto construction paper to form pictures or designs.
Turning over cards, coins, checkers, or buttons, without bringing them to the edge of the table.
Making pictures using stickers or self-sticking paper reinforcements.
Playing games with the "puppet fingers" -the thumb, index, and middle fingers. At circle time have each child's puppet fingers tell about what happened over the weekend, or use them in songs and finger plays.

Place a variety of forms (eg. blocks, felt, paper, string, yarn, cereal, cotton) on outlines
Match shapes, colour, or pictures to a page and paste them within the outlines

Self-Care Skills
Buttoning
Lacing
Tying
Fastening Snaps
Zipping
Carrying
Using a screwdriver
Locking and unlocking a door
Winding a clock
Opening and closing jars
Rolling out dough or other simple cooking activities
Washing plastic dishes
Sweeping the floor
Dressing
Scissor Activities
When scissors are held correctly, and when they fit a child's hand well, cutting activities will exercise the very same muscles which are needed to manipulate a pencil in a mature tripod grasp. The correct scissor position is with the thumb and middle finger in the handles of the scissors, the index finger on the outside of the handle to stabilize, with fingers four and five curled into the palm.
Cutting junk mail, particularly the kind of paper used in magazine subscription cards.
Making fringe on the edge of a piece of construction paper.
Cutting play dough or clay with scissors.
Cutting straws or shredded paper.
Cutting
Use a thick black line to guide cutting the following:
A fringe from a piece of paper
Cut off corners of a piece of paper
Cut along curved lines
Cut lines with a variety of angles
Cut figures with curves and angles

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mrz · 03/07/2010 14:20

Sorry it's my own list collected over time

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BoysAreLikeDogs · 03/07/2010 15:21

mrsz you have posted a similar list in the past and I have used it in my childminding practice to great effect

have always forgotten to thank you up til now

thank you

Flowers

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toccatanfudge · 03/07/2010 17:30

see that's what I don't get - his fine and gross motor skills are good (even mentioned in his report for PE - and I've sneaked a peek at him whie walking past the school at PE time so I know they're not making it up lol)

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mrz · 03/07/2010 17:52

toccatanfudge it's a specific set of gross motor skills and physical development which need to be worked on for writing. As I mentioned the shoulder girdle - otherwise the child is using the whole of their upper body to form a letter(tiring/slow work) wrist flexibility for forming letters correctly and bilateral hand coordination ...

on top of this he needs to have the correct sequence of movement patterns taught until they become automatic and the correct starting point for each letter reinforced. It seems his teacher's have allowed him to form letters incorrectly as long as they were recognisable and he has now developed bad habits which will need correcting.

from your post I would suggest this is where his problems lie rather than think about dyslexia.

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Feenie · 03/07/2010 18:30

I also love that post of yours, mrz, and I've referred to it many times

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