exceeding expectations in reception in all areas. how unusual?

(20 Posts)
coffeemaker5 Sun 24-Jul-16 18:47:04

DC2 has exceeding expectations in all areas in his reception report. I knew he was bright but didn't really expect this. Great reader, loves writing, he loves numbers and is generally a very inquisitive child.

We hardly do any school stuff at home. DC1 is severely disabled (severe learning diffs and autism, just starting to talk at almost 9) and takes all my attention.

just wondered our of curiousity how unusual exceeding in all areas is. my previous parenting experience is at the other end of the learning spectrum (years behind expected levels)...

toobreathless Sun 24-Jul-16 21:14:08

No idea. When is his birthday? I'm guessing it's more usual in Autumn/winter borns.

DD is summer born, doing very well, it has been suggested that she be entered for 7+ awards locally. She is 'exceeding' in about half.

So I reckon he is doing really well smile

AnneGables Sun 24-Jul-16 21:22:54

Well done to your ds, I think it is quite unusual. My nephew got exceeding in all, but he is the only one I know of. My ds got mostly exceeding and no one in his class got all.

coffeemaker5 Sun 24-Jul-16 21:28:44

Dec born. so one of the older ones.

I am so used to the world of SEN and all the meetings and stuff. I was just hoping DS2 would do ok and I would have been overjoyed with an expected in all areas but never expected the exceeding. well, maybe it's just him being a winter rather than summer born. maybe he is really bright. he has always surprised us in a certain way but I always put it down to being NT and not having learning diffs and autism.

Bunnyjo Sun 24-Jul-16 21:30:40

My DS is summer born (May) and he got exceeding in all 17 areas. On a previous thread, where this was discussed, someone linked to a gov.uk site which detailed that approximately 2% of all children in 2015 got exceeding in every area.

ReallyTired Sun 24-Jul-16 21:31:57

I don't think it's that unusual to get exceeding in all areas. Certainly it means the child is able, but a child does not have to be the infant Einstein to manage it in our school. I don't know how well moderated the eyfs is.

WordGetsAround Sun 24-Jul-16 21:32:13

Well done your DS!

ToDuk Sun 24-Jul-16 21:34:31

That's great! It's not massively unusual but not as common as muck either. Lovely. Don't let it change anything though... don't feel you have to start loads of academic stuff to keep it going. Sounds like you're doing a great job juggling two very different children.

coffeemaker5 Sun 24-Jul-16 21:40:51

thanks all.

no, no Einstein in the making. he wants to be a writer (he tends to write little texts about things that move him grin).

will just continue as we did. I have my hands full with dc1 so it is actually nice to know that Dc2 is doing so well and I don't have to feel guilty about not working on academic things with him.

irvineoneohone Sun 24-Jul-16 21:46:42

ReallyTired, 2 % nationally is very unusual I think. ( maybe less so on MN.)

Well done, such a great result.

Ginmummy1 Mon 25-Jul-16 08:36:55

I wonder where the 2% came from - I remember someone posting links on a similar thread recently and the official reports lumped expected and exceeding together, and no figure was given for exceeding alone.

I know they're against a standard set of criteria, but I wonder how much variation there is between schools. Someone posted on here that 17x exceeding was almost unheard of (I think this was someone who had heard from an assessor comparing 5 years of results or something), but on MN there have been several posts from people whose children got all exceeding.

I find myself doubting the exceedings in my DD's report - for example she's not the bravest in the playground and can't ride a bike yet, so how can she be exceeding in moving and handling? (I know a lot of it is about fine motor skills). I'd almost believe it more if there was one 'expected'...

Well done to your DS2, Coffeemaker!

coffeemaker5 Mon 25-Jul-16 09:05:12

I think the moving and handling is about fine motor skills. that's the impression I got from the report. DS has been riding a bike for 2.5 years now and can swim though butI don't think they look at these at all.

sirfredfredgeorge Mon 25-Jul-16 09:31:24

The link above has the data for 2015, lots of breakdown of the overall stats, including average mark split into term of birth, sex etc. I expect there must be a lot of variation still between individual markers, and also how much effort you really make as a teacher / ta collecting the evidence to confirm someone is exceeding, rather than teaching the kid, or helping someone else out who's not there yet. Unfortunately the data available on line doesn't really provide info to see if there are different spreads, (they may have more data available if you're really interested in studying it of course) The council data is interesting, Lewisham for example gets much higher than average to get at least expected in all seventeen areas, yet their average mark is not out of line, suggesting less exceeding of course, so there is national variation I'm sure.

Things you clearly from the data (this is 2015, not this years) Summer born's get around 4 less than Autumn. (giving 3 points for exceeding, 2 for expected, 1 for emerging) So age is quite a difference. Male / female also.

DD's school used some evidence that the parents had been sending in "wow stickers" as part of the judgement, so I also think how the parents engaged with the school and how the children reacted to that scheme would've made a big difference to what could be given.

Ginmummy1 Moving and handling does seem odd, DD can ride a bike comfortable, swim lengths, climb a rope, monkey bars or anything in a playground, can tie knots, screwdrivers, knife fork, scissors etc. It's one of her strongest areas of the 17 I would've said, yet it was one of only a few that she didn't get exceeding.

springwaters Mon 25-Jul-16 09:42:16

It isn't published in that way. You can see the exceeding by area and by LA
however it varies vastly across LAs and does always closely not align with GLD and so I would say the figures are less reliable- There are a few LAs where in the past moderation would have been looked at closely.

springwaters Mon 25-Jul-16 09:49:37

Sorry -realised above statement isn't clear. It isn't an accountability measure and so the data is a by product rather than a core data collection.

The ATPS is a more interesting figure.

Bunnyjo Mon 25-Jul-16 10:01:30

Ginmummy1, the 2% figure comes from the main text document, rather that the excel tables. It shows that, in 2015, 3% of reception children got 17pts (emerging in all areas), 24% got 34pts (the equivalent of expected in all areas) and 2% got 51pts (exceeding in all areas).

Hersetta427 Mon 25-Jul-16 10:19:04

My DS is summer born (not yet 5) and he got exceeding in 11 categories. He in an excellent reader and loves school even though when he started his grip was so poor he couldn't write his own name. I couldn't be any prouder of him - on his school report his teacher called him delightful with an endearing personality which made me shed a tear.

Fairuza Mon 25-Jul-16 11:02:49

Bike riding doesn't come into Moving and Handling, but they do need to be able to move confidently, good co-ordination, negotiate space PLUS hop confidently, skip in time to music, and form well sized letters that sit on the line.

Exceeding in all areas is unusual, but less unusual for a winter child.

sirfredfredgeorge Mon 25-Jul-16 11:11:47

Fairuza Bike riding is specifically highlighted as one of the pieced of evidence to show co-ordination www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/360527/ELG04___Moving_and_handling.pdf

Obviously "bike-riding" specifically is not a skill, but it sounds like good evidence for those things, skipping is not specifically a skill either.

Fairuza Mon 25-Jul-16 11:15:40

Skipping in time to music is in the exceeding descriptor.

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