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Work being difficult! help me!!

(42 Posts)
emmajbxxx Wed 18-Dec-13 12:09:52

I am currently 19 weeks pregnant.
Work for a large well known salon chain as receptionist, have done so for 3 years. Used to be manager but resigned due to poor management and boss causing me too much stress.
Informed my empolyer of my pregnancy at 4 weeks as i was woring 63 hour weeks and my hours were changed(they werent happy)
Since then we have had a new manager start.
We are open until 8pm, and as it is my job or hers to close we usually get out by 9pm. I told my doctor this was affecting me as i have has severe sickness all way through.
My employers are now saying they need me to work most evebings and are demanding to speak to my midwife.
They also have demanded to look through my green notes to check my appointments as if i am making them up.
Recently i was told by various members of staff that my new manager had been slagging me off to other members of staff that she didnt see the point in me being here as i have extra lunches and work no evenings. This is causing me so much stress, i hardly slept at all last night worrying about it and its making me feel 1000 times worse!
What can i do?

Vassia Thu 19-Dec-13 22:19:23

Sorry but as someone else said, I also get the feeling you're using your pregnancy as an excuse to not work late. I don't see any reason why you should be exempt from working til 9pm. I think your issue is more to do with the new manager not doing what you used to do as manager. The manager doesn't have to work all the late shifts just because that's what you did.

Asking you to scrub the floor is unreasonable however, and asking to see your notes and speak to your midwife is strange.

HoopHopes Thu 19-Dec-13 21:06:00

You could ask your gp for a fit note with comments about hours gp suggests you work or do not work due to medical reasons. Or be signed off sick with stress or illness if you cannot manage.

If you cannot manage late nights then you could ask your midwife for advice as well?

MightilyOats Thu 19-Dec-13 16:25:39

If I still had sickness at 5 months I wouldn't be on my hands and knees on the floor I'd be spewing up

There are other safety considerations I suppose too - if OP has an hour's commute late at night when she feels unwell and exhausted she may be putting herself and others in danger if she drives or if using public transport may be putting herself in danger as a vulnerable person?

stowsettler Thu 19-Dec-13 08:47:38

I think we're all missing the point here. If her late finishes are affecting OP then this is the issue. It matters not a jot if everyone else who's pregnant works til midnight and is absolutely fine with it. Everyone's pregnancy is different. She could be particularly nauseous in the evenings, for example. I always got sick in the evenings when pregnant with DD.
And whilst I agree that there's nothing wrong with asking her to clean per se, it becomes a different matter if her bosses are not asking anyone else to do the shitty jobs. That's called victimisation.

HarderToKidnap Wed 18-Dec-13 20:16:08

Like others here, I worked long days (13 hours) and also long night shifts until I was 36 weeks. You are not exempt from that just because you are pregnant, unless of course you have some else pregnancy specific going on which may affect that...placenta previa, anaemia, multiple birth, SPD etc. in a normal healthy pregnancy its not a reasonable adjustment to not work late at all.

I also don't understand what the problem is with cleaning! I actually advise the women in my clinic to do thinks from 34 weeks! Again if you have sometimg else going on then it may not be reasonable to ask you to do it, but if it's just "because I'm pregnant" then you need to take your turn like everyone else.

Percephone Wed 18-Dec-13 19:27:42

Night work means night shifts, and a doctor's note / occ health assessment is required. OP is not working nights.

catellington Wed 18-Dec-13 19:22:53

Found it

europa.eu/legislation_summaries/employment_and_social_policy/health_hygiene_safety_at_work/c10914_en.htm

Under 'night work'

Not sure what constitutes night work though

onedev Wed 18-Dec-13 19:05:08

It doesn't sound to me like they've been doing anything wrong ?? They're asking you to do your job & provide proof of appointments & being pregnant isn't an excuse for getting out of the things you don't like.

catellington Wed 18-Dec-13 18:54:44

I mean late nights not late weeks iyswim

catellington Wed 18-Dec-13 18:54:12

I'm not an employment specialist but I thought there was a specific rule about late working in pregnancy.

emmajbxxx Wed 18-Dec-13 18:47:02

He didnt come in in the end. Cleaning isn't in my job description and my i feel like it's just my manager making things difficult for me.
He is now coming in on Friday.
I probably won't be returning after maternity but again, i love my salon and the people I work with, not who I work for.
If I'm uncomfortable doing something, job description or not, if it affects how I suffer throughout the day I shouldn't have to do it.
Thanks everyone! Xxx

Mabelandrose Wed 18-Dec-13 18:27:29

If anything a bit of action on your hands and knees might be good for you!

Bloodyteenagers Wed 18-Dec-13 18:22:20

You are reasonable to say they cannot see your notes, contact your mw and have another risk assessment.

You are very, very unreasonable to say you cannot work late because of pregnancy, and it isn't fair that you are getting home at 10pm.. Lots of woman work shifts. To also say you cannot be expected to clean is wrong because you are pregnant, what about cleaners etc? And indeed what about cleaning in your own home?

fuckwittery Wed 18-Dec-13 18:05:28

I don't think you should be saying "no late nights because I'm pregnant", but if the late nights are specifically affecting you e,g. Because you are more exhausted than normal due to severe morning sickness, perhaps you cannot sleep later in the morning if you do late shifts due to your sickness.
But I am getting a little bit of "just because I'm pregnanta" in your posts, I doubt your GP will write to say no late shifts, I think he can only say fit or work or not, and its your employer's responsibility to carry out a risk assessment.

Its not unreasonable to clean floors at 5 months pregnant!

Percephone Wed 18-Dec-13 17:55:03

And if it is still too much you can start maternity leave. That's what it's there for.

ALittleBitOfChristmasMagic Wed 18-Dec-13 17:54:57

Op I sort of understand where you are coming from however just because you are pregnant doesn't mean you are exempt from working unsociable hours . Last year when I was pregnant I worked as early as 7am to as late as 11pm . It was shit and I hated it but I just had to do it .

The advice I would give you though is pick your battles , and try to be as nice and pleasant about it as you can . Remember (if you plan to) you have to go back and work for these people after may leave and just think how miserable they can make your life then !

And please do not show them your notes they are on to plums with that one !! shock

Percephone Wed 18-Dec-13 17:50:10

You need to show proof of appointments.
They cannot demand to speak to your midwife or look through your notes.

If it's a big chain can you see occupational health?
Sorry but you can ask to work shorter shifts, no late nights is not a reasonable request. What do you think nurses, doctors, paramedics, cinema workers do? You need to compromise.

louise182 Wed 18-Dec-13 17:49:34

Your 'job role/description' isn't important when it comes to pregnancy.
If you don't feel comfortable doing something because it is affecting your pregnancy in a negative way, whether it be scrubbing floors or finishing too late followed by a long commute, you shouldn't have to do it :-)

Employers HAVE to assist you and meet your requests along as it is within reason of course, and they can get in a lot of trouble if they refuse or make things difficult.

I assume somebody else can scrub floors rather than have a pregnant woman struggle? Late finishes can be shared out if not totally taken away from you? If they refuse, it is out of being purely awkward in my opinion smile don't let them get you down! X

NatashaBee Wed 18-Dec-13 17:46:13

They sound very awkward, but you absolutely shouldn't be going to work if you're signed off as their insurance will not cover you for any accidents. Do you really want to go back after the baby is born?

Mabelandrose Wed 18-Dec-13 17:41:59

If cleaning is within your job role I don't think it's too much to ask you to clean at 5 months.

emmajbxxx Wed 18-Dec-13 17:31:19

Dontletthemgetyoudown..... I have been very comprimising. I am supposed to have a full hours lunch and only take hal;f an hour as its convienient for them.
The other day my manager asked me to get on my hands and knees and clean the floor, im 5 months pregnant!
there are many instances i have comprimised and tried to be as helpful as possible, i have had severe morning sickness and not had one day sick, was signed off for a wek but still came to work!
x

louise182 Wed 18-Dec-13 17:18:16

They have a right to ask for, and you are obliged to provide, appointment cards or some sort of proof of appointments. I used to photocopy the appointment page in my green notes.

They are not allowed to simply take your green notes and have a good read of them though! Employers cant access any of your medical records without your consent and if they feel the need they need to set out their reasons why, and request it formally. You don't actually have to say yes though!

Employers have to carry out regular risk assessments throughout your pregnancy and identify anything that may cause issues for you. I think they have to make allowances for extra breaks and alter working patterns or hours if that helps you. I think you have to be suspended on full pay if, and only if, they are absolutely unable to accommodate changes you need at work which i highly doubt is the case for you, they appear to be being awkward and not understanding!

Hope this helps!

If you start later in the day you could work layer as you will be able to sleep in or rest in the morning? So you could compromise by agreeing to work late some of the week by having a start time of say 12 midday.

I worked until 8 months as a midwife with shifts often finishing beyond the finish time of 9.30 then getting home and often straight onto an early shift starting at 6.30am.

I think whilst it sounds like they are expecting a lot of you from your posts I'm not getting the feeling that you are willing to compromise and offer alternatives other than you must go home at a set time.

emmajbxxx Wed 18-Dec-13 17:04:17

They are wankers! i honestly have worked so hard for them over 3 years, and its awful. Ive done nothing wrong but be pregnant. Its a company run by men who have no idea what women go through during pregnancy.
Im kinding hoping he will say everything he shouldnt so i can sue theor arses haha, but agaian this is stress me and my baby dont need. He should be here anytime from now, actually cant wait to tell you all how it went! x

stowsettler Wed 18-Dec-13 16:58:08

It's not about what they will agree to. It's about what's safe for you and your baby. This should be the only consideration. If it's not, then they are acting illegally.
Honestly, explain all this to your GP. They will (probably) agree with you and intervene with an appropriately-worded fitnote.
I have to say it sounds as if your employers are right wankers.

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