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Webchat with Daisy Goodwin, lunchtime, Tues 23 June

(428 Posts)
GeraldineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 18-Jun-09 11:47:31

As requested and promised, Daisy has accepted our invite and is coming on next Tuesday (exact time to be confirmed, but probably around 1pm). Get there early to bag your place.

CMOTdibbler Thu 18-Jun-09 11:55:48

S'not fair - I'm away on business then. Humph.

So tell us Daisy, what is it about MN that upsets you so ? Is it that we express opinions and don't wrap it all up in fuzzy pink hugs and huns ?

Please look for all the genuine support here on bereavement, pregnancy loss, and women experiencing domestic violence. MN certainly got me through some dark days in my life. Oh, and sometimes makes me spit coffee over my keyboard in laughter

tiktok Thu 18-Jun-09 11:57:45

Yay

LackaDAISYcal Thu 18-Jun-09 13:50:14

Should be an interesting and.....erm.....lively discussion.

<clears diary>

doulalc Thu 18-Jun-09 14:13:13

Have to ask....who is Daisy Goodwin?

morningpaper Thu 18-Jun-09 14:15:43

<saves chair for Hunkermunker>

Lulumama Thu 18-Jun-09 14:16:55

this should be interesting.

morningpaper Thu 18-Jun-09 14:17:48
ahundredtimes Thu 18-Jun-09 14:19:25

Doulac - she's a television producer, writer and columnist. I am a bit of a fan, she's smart and clever and a good thing imo.

however she has had the misfortune to write a number of not so complimentary things about MN in a Daily Mail column. Roughly along the lines of MNers all being gestapo-like lactivists who refuse to accept or tolerate the notion of bottle feeding. Or something like that. And maybe another piece about how women don't support each other but vent on-line in a hysterical and bitchy manner.

Now she's coming here, and we're going to talk breasts I expect and she will be surprised by our common sense and sisterly understanding, good humour and tolerance of all things different.

morningpaper Thu 18-Jun-09 14:21:39
morningpaper Thu 18-Jun-09 14:58:48

I would very much like to ask about the Bringing Up Baby series if no one else will:

In the series you seem to have employed Claire Verity, a woman who stated: "I can't understand why anybody wants to cuddle a baby or pick a baby up: a baby doesn't want to be touched all the time. All they want is to be left alone to grow" and: "Once he's got eye contact, he knows he's in charge."

You stuck by the series when the NSPCC and the National Childbirth Trust asked for the series not to be commissioned; when FSID declared her methods to risk infants' lives; when she was banned from the baby show at Earl's Court; when the NSPCC said that these methods were 'outdated and potentially harmful'; when her methods were condemned by the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health; when the Nursing and Midwifery Council claimed Verity was 'deceptive'; when the show was only broadcast in Australia after a health warning of risk to babies preceded it; when Ofcom received nearly 1,000 complaints. When you allowed mothers of newborns to be filmed weeping with the pain of it all while they carried out Verity's instructions.

You did all of this without verifying her qualifications, which unfortunately only run to part-owning a nightclub and running a chocolate shop.

In the light of all this, how do you wish you had done things differently?

FrontRowFig Thu 18-Jun-09 15:00:26

WHO IS DAISY GOODWIN

FrontRowFig Thu 18-Jun-09 15:01:04

I agree with MP
you were a nob abotu that.

AitchTwoOh Thu 18-Jun-09 15:07:19

i would love to see her answer that, MP, and not some weaselly nonsense like she blethered at the time about social history and education. i didn't know that about Australia, how utterly shameful for her.

make no mistake, i thought that show showed scenes of an abusive nature, such as starving small babies of feeds then doubling up their measures and force feeding them until they were sick And Then Force Feeding Them Some More to get them back into a routine. and i'm no hippy myself.

God I wanted to throw the remote at the TV watching that show. Did Daisy Goodwin produce that? How awful. At least for me that show made me realise that I was making the right choices for DD (demand feeding etc.) but I expect some people just saw the parents getting a break from 7 to 7 and though 'what a good idea, if it's on TV it must be ok' hmm. There was no discussion of the long term consequences of these methods.

Hmmm, I wonder if she'll do a Sherezezerezereade...

LackaDAISYcal Thu 18-Jun-09 16:18:30

<waves to bumper>

even though she is feeling neglected wink

FrontRowFig Thu 18-Jun-09 16:21:33

there were too many paragraphs in the DM article

FrontRowFig Thu 18-Jun-09 16:23:20

Ah i have now a Phd in Daisy goodwin while one kid is watching tv one playing and one away.
( if that is ok and their "needs are fulfilled")

"The mother of two children, Daisy also finds time to dream up and edit poetry anthologies, including the bestseller 101 Poems That Could Save Your Life."

ROFL

AitchTwoOh Thu 18-Jun-09 16:36:57

she's been on tv, fig, wafting about and giggling over romance stories. without wishing to be too uncharitable, i do think that her view of womanhood and motherhood must have been influenced by her own mother and step-mother, with whom i think it's fairly well known she had a tricky time.

don't get me wrong, it sounds confusing for a small child and tremendously hurtful to be left but i don't understand how a self-professed 'helicopter mother' could have been so happy to see those twin babies suffer just so that she could get a tv programme made.

foxytocin Thu 18-Jun-09 17:31:09

i will miss the fireworks. sad grin

foxytocin Thu 18-Jun-09 17:36:39

if my baby was 18 yrs old I would also have lots of time "to dream up and edit poetry anthologies, including the bestseller 101 Poems That Could Save Your Life."

{hmm] hmm hmm

What is a helicopter mom?

LackaDAISYcal Thu 18-Jun-09 18:05:09

A mum who hovers just behind her child everywhere they go as far as I understand it!

sallyjaygorce Thu 18-Jun-09 18:32:21

Daisy Goodwin is right about the tone of SOME MN breastfeeding forums. There are also some that are very helpful and supportive but she is a journalist making a quick and perfectly accurate point - just not a balanced one - they do that you know. MN is always guilty of protesting too much whenever someone touches a nerve about the 'vituperative' side of some threads on here. Surely you have to be deluded and totally unable to laugh at yourselves if you can't see the truth of that. It doesn't detract from the value of MN at all. What is it about MN that makes some people so over sensitive and righteous? Ooh! Someone said something negative! Let's get them on here and gang up. There is a element of old hags sitting around the guillotine enjoying the executions. Hope you feel your Tues is well spent.

foxytocin Thu 18-Jun-09 18:39:59

<gets out knitting needles>
<adjusts spectacles and shawl>

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