Reactions to President Obama Speaking to Urge Brits to vote to stay in the EU?

(32 Posts)
Rainbunny Thu 17-Mar-16 17:23:04

Just curious to see if I'm the only person who thinks this will surely backfire?

My reasons are as follows:

- The Americans have made statements on the EU that make it clear that they want the UK to stay in as it helps American interests in the EU. That makes it clear that the American government view the Brits as basically puppets who they influence in their own interests. That puts my back up immediately and since this is a very emotional issue with British sovereignty at stake voting to please American interests is the opposite of what this should about.

- President Obama has mixed popularity in the UK I think. He has shown disdain towards the UK for years. In his first year in office he specifically said that the USA does NOT have a special relationship with the UK. Over the years there have been various snubs towards the UK, visiting British Prime Ministers have been snubbed at the White House (things like joint press conferences, state dinners etc.. that are usually accorded to visiting dignitaries didn't happen for Gordon Brown when he visited.) Obama expressed support for Argentina on the Falkland Island issue despite the actual Islanders overwhelming desire to stay a part of the UK... Basically a man who has made it clear he dislikes the UK and what it represents is the last person to tell us how we should vote and any positive comments he may make about the UK now will smack of hypocrisy to me!

- The irony of the leader of a country that fought a war to successfully declare independence from foreign control wants to urge us to stay in the Eu to be subject to foreign control.

gamerchick Thu 17-Mar-16 17:26:15

It's not going to make any difference to people wanting to vote to leave. If Americas that bothered they can always join the EU themselves*

*no idea if that is even possible because I don't understand the damned thing myself.

HirplesWithHaggis Thu 17-Mar-16 17:29:26

Ah, the last point amuses me, he recommended "No" in the Scottish indyref too, with no apparent sign of irony. grin

Meanwhile the Out lot are using the same arguments as Yes did, again with no apparent sense of irony.

It's all quite bemusing, really.

Rainbunny Thu 17-Mar-16 17:39:17

I'm actually pro-American and I respect their ability to negotiate treaties trade deals in their favour but this isn't something to do with them. I just think it's a bad idea to get involved with this vote and I can't understand why they don't see that it would be received poorly by British voters. Can you imagine the Prime Minister telling American voters how they should vote? It's a bizarre idea really.

SirChenjin Thu 17-Mar-16 17:43:33

My reaction is that he's a sensible blokegrin Not really - I couldn't care less - it's getting really boring now.

RortyCrankle Thu 17-Mar-16 17:45:29

Totally agree. As far as I am concerned, he can fuck off and I couldn't care less what he thinks or wants.

They dragged us into wars like Iraq when war criminal Blair was happy to be Bush's poodle. I don't believe there has been a 'special relationship' for a very long time.

We tend to think, because we share a common (ish) language, that we are the same but we are not. America is very different to the UK, gun laws and extreme religion to name but two.

I will be voting Out.

Rainbunny Thu 17-Mar-16 18:19:02

Well President Obama didn't drag us into any wars, in fact he seems have spent his time trying to avoid being dragged into foreign conflict. I agree also that the time of any special relationship between the UK and the USA has passed, the real special relationship is between the USA and the EU now. I dread to think what a President Trump would get up in international relations... I will miss President Obama and I can only pray that Hillary Clinton wins the election.

Mistigri Thu 17-Mar-16 19:34:39

I don't have a strong opinion on whether it will misfire or not; the outers will hate it, but Obama is still broadly liked outside America so perhaps it will have a small influence on some undecided voters. I don't think the impact will be large either way.

As to whether he should or not, well of course he should, if he sincerely believes that speaking out is in America's best interests! It's his job to represent and promote American interests.

It seems obvious to me that it is in the U.S. national interest to have an anglophone ally in the world's largest trading bloc.

Chocolatteaddict1 Thu 17-Mar-16 19:40:29

Well he didn't drag us in to any wars but his country certainly started them!

Do we really have a choice in regards to whether we stay or not? No I don't think we do.

MeMySonAndl Thu 17-Mar-16 19:40:58

Interestingly, there was an article in the BBC yesterday listing the 10 main threats to world peace. Trump becoming US president was near the top, UK leaving the European Union was listed, so... In the same way American votes impact on the world, what we decide in a few months will have repercussions around the world.

So I suppose it is his business, just as it is our business that the Anericans put a demagogue in power.

gamerchick Thu 17-Mar-16 19:44:57

We have world peace? confused

Chocolatteaddict1 Thu 17-Mar-16 19:51:39

gamerchick do we confused ?

gamerchick Thu 17-Mar-16 19:54:04

Not the last time I looked at the ruddy news.

How can they say leaving the EU threatens something we don't have anyway?

Chocolatteaddict1 Thu 17-Mar-16 20:05:51

Bunch of currupt lying cunts.

RockUnit Thu 17-Mar-16 22:15:01

I agree with you OP, firstly I don't suppose the USA would take it well if Cameron went over to try to persuade them to vote one way or another, and secondly it's ironic, as Americans still celebrate Independence Day.

chilledwarmth Fri 18-Mar-16 14:22:00

Obama is a moron, both with domestic and foreign policy. I actually can't think of a single good thing about his presidency. Nothing of his, Obamacare, his worrying obsession with strict gun control, don't work for me at all. And he has no business telling the British what they should do, none of us do. It's your country, and it will affect how you are governed. It's not our decision, so we shouldn't be trying to tell you how to vote.

lljkk Fri 18-Mar-16 14:39:42

Obama didn't urge the UK to stay in EU. confused
The media headlines say he did. But he didn't. Not once. Not even a tiny bit.

Am I supposed to comment on what Obama actually said,
or on how the news media chose to twist the meaning of his words,
or the imaginary situation of what if Obama had said what he was misquoted as saying?

Pah.

Mistigri Fri 18-Mar-16 15:03:19

Well, yes ...

Plus, if Trump were to be elected president, and took the U.S. out of NAFTA and other trade agreements, you can bet your bottom dollar that other world leaders would comment on it. And what's more, they would be right to do so.

World leaders routinely comment on world affairs, and attempt to influence world events in their own country's best interests. It's called diplomacy - a concept that is plainly foreign to many brexiteers who prefer to insult the very countries (like the US) with whom we will need to negotiate agreements if a brexit occurs.

RockUnit Fri 18-Mar-16 15:17:34

World leaders routinely comment on world affairs, and attempt to influence world events in their own country's best interests.

How often is the leader of one country invited to visit and address the population of a different country, to convince them to vote for something that isn't beneficial to them?

Barack Obama will urge British voters to remain in EU during April visit (Telegraph 13 Mar 16)

RockUnit Fri 18-Mar-16 15:19:34

Obama didn't urge the UK to stay in EU.

Obama says stay, but some Cameron MPs prepare to back UK exit from EU (Reuters, 7 Jun 15)

"Highlighting the conflicting pressures the British leader faces, Obama stressed Washington's concern to see its close ally remain in the 28-nation EU.

Speaking alongside Cameron on the sidelines of a Group of Seven summit in Germany, Obama said: "I would note that one of the great values of having the United Kingdom in the European Union is its leadership and strength on a whole host of global challenges.

"And so we very much are looking forward to the United Kingdom staying a part of the European Union because we think that its influence is positive not just for Europe but also for the world.""

Mistigri Fri 18-Mar-16 15:29:06

How often is the leader of one country invited to visit and address the population of a different country, to convince them to vote for something that isn't beneficial to them?

It's a diplomatic visit organised by two governments who feel that such a visit is in their country's best interests.

Remaining in the EU is government policy, so if Cameron believes that a visit will assist him in implementing government policy, and if Obama believes that it is in America's interests to accept the invitation, then they are both doing their jobs correctly.

lljkk Fri 18-Mar-16 15:38:08

Telegraph headline: "OBAMA will visit UK to urge voters to vote remain!!"

Evidence for this? Unnamed source who has actually set foot in Number 10 & who said ""It would be pretty shocking if he didn't ask voters to stay in the EU,"'

Hey, when the Telegraph cites me as an unnamed source who says "The moon is made of cheese" : it turns out that makes it true. The moon really is made of cheese. Who knew?

RockUnit Fri 18-Mar-16 15:49:56

So lljkk after reading what Obama said above, do you still claim that "Obama didn't urge the UK to stay in EU."? hmm

RockUnit Fri 18-Mar-16 15:52:44

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-barack-obama-remain-campaign-brexit-europe-a6927731.html

"Bob Corker, the chairman of the US Senate foreign relations committee, said last month that Mr Obama was planning “a big, public reach-out” to persuade British voters of the merits of staying in the EU. But several government and Remain campaign sources have now confirmed the timing and added that he will fly into the UK to make a direct appeal to the British electorate."

RockUnit Fri 18-Mar-16 15:53:08

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