(Warnng upsetting) Little boy murdered for failing to learn passages from the Koran

(101 Posts)
ReallyTired Mon 07-Jan-13 12:57:05

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-20920649

This news story made me want to cry. I feel its tragic that no one managed to prevent the horrific abuse. I feel that the entire UK let this little boy down.

This case is as bad as Baby P or Victoria Climbe.

RabidCarrot Mon 07-Jan-13 13:04:15

shock evil bitch (although I would put money on the father being involved as well) I hope they don't put her in solitary confinement,

happynewmind Mon 07-Jan-13 13:16:13

sad

When I worked in schools in an area that had a very high population of Muslim students I had to make a referal as three of the children from one particular Mosque were being hit for the very same thing during the children's sessions.

All three were on our sen list at school for learning difficulties.

MrsDeVere Mon 07-Jan-13 13:28:19

I know it has a religious aspect but this woman beat her child because she is a child abuser.

She would have done it if she was an atheist. It would have just been because he didnt make his bed perfectly or get an A+

Poor little boy. It is just awful.

ReallyTired Mon 07-Jan-13 14:01:26

I think the fact that the family was muslim is almost irrelevent.

I find it sad that tragicies like this in the UK still occur on a regular basis. There is nothing Islamic about murdering a little boy.

As I said earlier, I feel this boy was let down by everyone. (Including many christians/ athetists/ jedi knights/ whatever religion.)

MrsDeVere Mon 07-Jan-13 14:24:07

He had old injuries. He was at school AND a religious school.
Someone should have noticed. He is 7.

It is beyond horrible.

ReallyTired Mon 07-Jan-13 15:26:03

MrsDeVere I 100% agree with you. I feel the father should have noticed the injuries as well as the (primary) school. I am sure there will be a serious case review so that lessons can be learnt.

It is a terrible waste of a young life.

Nancy66 Mon 07-Jan-13 17:26:46

horrible story. Poor little poor. I absolutely don't buy that the father knew nothing. He must have seen cuts and bruises.

WaynettaSlobsLover Mon 07-Jan-13 17:36:24

There are many very evil and disturbed cunts in this world, irrespective of their religion. They all share sadistic power trips over vulnerable people, cannot control their anger, and do not take responsibilities for their own vile actions. As a Muslim myself ive never ever come across any type of abuse in the madrasahs I've been to or children's school, so I would hope that this is extremely rare. Culture has a big part to play in the treatment of this little boy I would say, and the sick bastard who did this to him is subhuman. I think all of us are gutted and devastated to hear this story. May the little angel rest in peace.

Pixel Mon 07-Jan-13 18:05:10

Poor little love having a mother like that, not only violent but devious with it. I'm glad she got a long sentence but the judge must know something we don't if he calls her "a devoted and caring mum".

Why do you think it's the fault of 'the entire UK'? hmm

ReallyTired Mon 07-Jan-13 18:16:34

"Culture has a big part to play in the treatment of this little boy I would say, and the sick bastard who did this to him is subhuman. "

I don't believe that the treatment of this little boy has anything to do with culture. The Ege family has more in common with Baby P's family than most UK muslims.

I feel that the husband has a lot to answer for. I suppose that muslims believe that he and wife will have to face Allah one day. I cannot believe that the husband knew nothing.

This case deserves the same level of public outcry as the baby P case had.

WaynettaSlobsLover Mon 07-Jan-13 18:23:54

Really tired I don't know how much contact you have had with other cultures but speaking as someone who does on a daily basis, there are certain nationalities who have specific social expectations with regards to children's behaviour. For example, a child may be expected to be completely subservient and submissive towards elders, and will put up with harsh treatment, even physical violence because they are your elders and 'know better'. Some children are not permitted to give an adult eye contact when speaking to them. Physical punishment even very severe beatings are not seen as unusual if the child has failed in his

WaynettaSlobsLover Mon 07-Jan-13 18:26:08

Or her studies, had said something rude, or is seen as acting in an insolent way. My entire point being that the vile woman who did this to her son may have had outrageous expectations of him and lived her own desires through him, ie forcing memorisation of do Quran at a young age, something held in high prestige in the Muslim community.

chipstick10 Mon 07-Jan-13 18:33:25

Poor little soul. So sad. What an evil bitch, I hope she gets the same from her inmates.

Booyhoo Mon 07-Jan-13 18:43:33

"Yaseen collapsed after she had beaten him while still murmuring extracts of the Koran."

sad

even while dying he was reciting the koran. this is just so so awful. that poor little boy. he is defenceless. his parents are supposed to protect him from the world. he trusted them.

MrsDeVere Mon 07-Jan-13 19:33:36

Waynetta I think that is a huge generalisation and misleading.
I work almost exclusively with families from BME backgrounds including a lot of Muslim families.

If anything, 'spirited' young boys are celebrated and although they are expected to respect elders, beatings are certainly NOT usual.

The parents I work with have to be encouraged to set boundaries.

Child abuse does not have a cultural bias. Cultural rules can make it difficult for community members to challenge but that is a different issue.

WaynettaSlobsLover Mon 07-Jan-13 19:46:02

Mrsdevere I'm sorry but you need to re read my post and stop taking it as a generalisasation. Facts are this woman, like I stated, is a vile individual who due to her own disturbed state of mind and POSSIBLY the culture she was born into (submissiveness to elders) took it upon herself to mould her innocent child into a Hafiz (memoriser) of the Quran. When he was not able to perform to her standard she brutally murdered him. I'm not on here to debate, and I speak both as a Muslim and as a person who has been around many backgrounds who have cultural expectations with regards to kids. The evil mother took it all too far, fact. I'm leaving this thread as I've said my piece and hope the little one rests in peace.

Greythorne Mon 07-Jan-13 19:49:55

Poor little boy.
Such cruelty from the person he should have looked to for unconditional love.
Heartbreaking.

RIP

MrsDeVere Mon 07-Jan-13 19:49:57

I am not sorry but you need to stop posting rubbish.

HTH.

WaynettaSlobsLover Mon 07-Jan-13 20:02:52

You are looking for a fight on a thread that is discussing the tragic death of a child. That's rubbish in itself. If you are so unbelievably ignorant to the part culture can play in the murder of innocent people, why don't you google "honour killings". Something to consider before you unnecessarily accuse me of posting rubbish. Have a biscuit and an early night.

ReallyTired Mon 07-Jan-13 20:04:27

Muslims I know in real life mostly sensible people. Their lives seem to have the same ups and downs as the rest of us.

"Child abuse does not have a cultural bias. Cultural rules can make it difficult for community members to challenge but that is a different issue. "

I competely agree. I think that some people are scared to challenge child abuse when its a different ethnic background. Certainly that was a factor in the death of Victoria Climbe who wasn't muslim.

knackeredoutmum Mon 07-Jan-13 21:46:10

She didnt murder him because he didnt memorise the quran, he died because she was very angry and lost control. In this case it was quran memorising, put the same woman in a different culture and her son would have been beaten to death for some other reason such as stealing or not doing his homework.

Normal muslim people do not beat their kids because they cant learn fast enough. It is the act of a dangerous and out of control woman who needed help - unfortunately it seems from the serious case review that noone was aware of that.

knackeredoutmum Mon 07-Jan-13 21:48:09

Plus there is a huge gulf o difference between a parent who "gives their child a slap" and one who actually beats their child to death. One is perhaps undesirable but within the normal range, the other is quite obviously not.

timtam23 Mon 07-Jan-13 22:07:15

I was very sad when this was discussed on the news today

The poor poor little boy, may he rest in peace now

flatpackhamster Tue 08-Jan-13 09:18:14

knackeredoutmum

She didnt murder him because he didnt memorise the quran, he died because she was very angry and lost control. In this case it was quran memorising, put the same woman in a different culture and her son would have been beaten to death for some other reason such as stealing or not doing his homework.

Are there lots of cases of women beating their children to death for not doing their homework? Can you cite even one?

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