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Holy evil pro-life bastards, batman

The wonder is it that there haven't been more

RIP Savita Halappanavar

It's horrendous, and negligent too as even in Ireland there is provision for termination when the life of the mother is in danger. I know septicaemia can be very rapid and unpredictable but this baby was not going to survive. To keep this pregnancy going for the sake of the foetal heartbeat lasting a few more days beggars belief. This is negligence and I hope they are prosecuted.

I wonder if she was even TOLD that her husband could drive her up to Belfast and get this fixed!? They were knowledge immigrants working (him) for Boston Technology so probably unaware of the fact they could drive for help.

No, there is no provision to protect the right to life of the mother.

Successive governments have refused to legislate the X-case ruling.

It's fucking shameful that a miscarrying woman would be driving around Ireland to seek medical treatment in a less misogynistic jurisdiction.

Do women who move to Ireland understand their vulnerability if they should get pregnant?

Clearly laws dating from 1860s are going to reflect the best for people today. Medical knowledge has not changed since then.

Am livid at this.

Makes me so very sad and angry. The woman was told days before that there was no hope for the baby, so why on earth did they not do something. Surely a living human being is more important than a baby who will not survive/was already dead in utero.

There is very very little that I hold strong views on, but this is one of those few.

I'm anti abortion and even I think this is outrageous. A pointless waste of life.

I hope it makes the Irish legislators stop and think.

"Surely a living human being is more important than a baby who will not survive/was already dead in utero."

No, not in the Republic of Ireland.

I live in a country where abortion is illegal and those carrying out abortions face death by firing squad. However, even here they have a provision whereby they can terminate the pregnancy if the mother's health is in danger.

thats disgusting. I'm shocked that that was alowed to happen 'this is a catholic country' ffs. a living human is without a doubt more important than a baby who will not survive.
(and not that I want to get into this argument, but I'm pro-life, I just felt the need to say were not all heartless bastards)

" a living human is without a doubt more important than a baby who will not survive."

But if the foetus might survive, then what?

athing in this circumstance that argument doesnt matter, the baby wasnt going to survive. and I for one am not getting into this argument, My beliefs are complicated and personal

thats a terrible story, how can an apparently civilized nation allow this to happen,

needless death if ever there was one.

athing your totally right.

Sadly, The only thing unusual about this case is that the mother died. Because of lack of legislation to implement the abortion referendum , this happens. SiMilarly women with babies who cannot survive outside uterus cannot have them delivered early or terminated/aborted.

addicted - this woman lost her life because under Irish law women are not more important than the foetuses they carry.

So you are wrong, it absolutely is relevant.

That poor, poor woman.

Athing, I think if a womans life is in danger then she should absolutely be alowed an abortion, I also think that where the baby's life is in danger abortions should be alowed.
I have quite clearly stated I think what happened is awful and should not have happened, I do not in any way condone the actions of the dr's, nurses, mw's or anyone else that saw that poor woman and refused the abortion.
When I said " a living human is without a doubt more important than a baby who will not survive." I was regurgating and agreeing with what frank and then your self had already said.
I am also not the only one to have said they are pro life on this thread.

" I do not in any way condone the actions of the dr's, nurses, mw's or anyone else that saw that poor woman and refused the abortion."

Well then you don't understand the invidious position they were in.

The Irish constitution gives rights to the foetus that are "equal to" those of its host. Despite a Supreme Court decision and ECHR decision, no legislation has been forthcoming to give a woman any rights to abortion even where her life is in danger.

Presumably the medical staff who attended her didn't think she would die and were following their legal advice that they would face criminal prosecution if they performed an abortion while the foetus was still alive.

It is not the medical staff who have blood on their hands here, it's the pro-lifers who have lobbied and demonstrated and told barefaced lies and who have made it politically impossible for women in Ireland to have their basic human right to life protected.

Horrific, shocking, disgusting when will Ireland put womens rights first above that of the church.

i am sitting here fuming, if ever there was a clear medical reason to save a womens life this was it.

Negligence bordering on manslaughter/murder. They lost sight of their duty of care to the mother. With the people responsible should be prosecuted and struck off, or if the haven't got a law in place to protect mothers in these situations, they should change the law. Clearly 'driving up to Belfast' in cases like this has been going on for so long that they have stopped caring about/for such people south of the border. It isn't an acceptable solution, it must put a lot of strain on Belfast hospitals, as well as putting the mothers at risk while being driven up there. How many more women have to die just so the Republic of Ireland can hang on to this horrendous malpractice?

I can't open the link to see the gestation of the baby...could they not have performed a c-section?

She was 17 weeks pregnant.

Oh my God. This is just...horrific. I'm actually panicky just thinking about how this was allowed to happen. That poor, poor woman.