Over 40 words at 17 months(90 Posts)
Is that good? Or am I being PFB
DS just seems really good at talking to me. Plus he understands everything you say (eg, could you take you coat and give it to daddy? etc)
If you give him two things he says 'two'. He does animal noises (loads, not just 2 or 3) and loads of other stuff that seems so amazing to me.
But he's my first and I don't know if I am just being totally biased or if he is really clever
I think it is a sign of the vocal chords having developed enough to allow speech.
IME, however, that teaching him things like numbers, etc will make him more able than others in these areas.
40 words is excellent :0) I know 3 g&t kids, two are mine, one of them was about the same as your son at this stage, my daughter was having conversations at that stage and was able to join in her favourite story (saying words from memory)
My friends son could read fluently at just shy of 2 years and do simple addition and subtraction
My two are top of their year at selective private primary (don't do g&t but both are regarded as exceptional in their year group) friends son is y2, birthday in July and is working with the higher ability group in y4 in English and maths. He is recognised as g&t
Dd3 is just turned 17mths and Like moresnowplease Ds, she will repeat almost anything you say to her, is talking in full sentences her favourite phrase is 'And she goes...BUMP' which is said just before she jumps on you!
She understands multi step instructions and has recently made us aware she has a sight word, dd2 has a very high IQ but was very different personality wise to dd3 as a baby, 17mths is quite early to say gifted or not although having said that I was well aware dd2 was different very early on, with dd3 however I'm on the fence.
DS is 16 mo and is about the same stage with talking and understanding. I haven't counted his words but he will repeat anything I ask him to now and has 3 word sentences. He understands quite complex 2 or 3 stage instructions too but is very fond of telling me when he doesn't want to follow them! I would say he is ahead of peers like your LO but not really gifted...especially judging against some others on here!
However he's certainly gifted physically as he took his first steps at 6.5 months and was walking well by 7 months old, running by a year and jumping at 15 mo.
Like the other poster I always play it down IRL.
DS1 was similar at that age. He is now 11 and WON'T SHUT UP!
Honestly, he has verbal diarrhoea. I just wish sometime he could be quiet.
There is no way you could tell if a child will be g&t at that age as non talkers may be gifted later on but it maybe an early indicator.
Like others DS1 was speaking in proper sentences at that age, walked at 9.5 months and could read properly at age 3. He is g&t now at age 7. Another child who was at his infant school wad very much the same as him until y2 then just plateaued. DS2 has always been pretty much average for all mile stones and is now on Y1, we just keep being told he is different by his teachers
I think development varies hugely and some slower starters can be very giftedbince at school.
40 words at 17 months is way above average!
DS didn't say a single word until he was 3 years old and is G&T in maths, and has a reading age of 9 (he is 6 years old and in year 2). In my mind, there is very little to prove that early speech is equivalent to G&T. In some cases maybe, but I am yet to see any statistics that support an early talking child to G&T.
My DD was speaking in full sentences at that age and her nursery had her assessed by a senco - they were unsure if she was gifted. Turned out she wasn't - she's now 8 and although her reading age is much older, she is average at everything else - just to warn you ;-)
My DD was talking in full sentences at 15 months old and was able to skip Year 6 and go to selective secondary school. We never had her IQ measured but it must have been very high and there was no G and T then (I would have thought it was a gin and tonic I expect).
She started talking at about 8 months old and never stopped.
DS2 turned out to have a massive IQ as he got measured when he was diagnosed Aspergers. I imagine DD and her brother DS1 likewise had similar IQs but not the aspergers. However DS1 rather amusingly was as silent as DD was garulous and was ages before he deigned to speak.
All are exceptionally bright.
They now have a younger brother (they are all grown up and have flown the nest) who already has an IGCSE at age 12, and who came top in the entrance exam for his chosen selective school. He too has been measured as having a huge IQ but he is dyspraxic.
Interestingly none of them were early readers but all showed signs of talent in different ways very early on.
DS3, the youngest, would sit in his car seat telling us which way to go to get to places and get very irate if he thought we had gone the wrong way.
DS3 is much happier in adult company and doesn't much care for children his own age, not having many interests in common with them. This is very difficult indeed as everyone seems to think if he doesn't socialise with children his own age he is somehow missing out.
My opinion is that once he has left school he will be able to socialise with adults (which he prefers) and will be thought very odd if he tries to socialise with children. So why force him to now. All adults who meet him think he is fine (unless they are teachers who think he should get on better with children than adults) and are surprised when we say he is supposed to have communication problems.
Oh well, can't win them all.
My DD also a fluent talker at that age. DS on the other hand ...
Sure, it's potential plus uk - they just rebranded from national association for gifted children. You have to join to get access but I appreciate the resources and support available. They do phone consultations too.
Pearlington, do you mind if I ask what forum it is? I feel like I need to get help with ds1 with aspects of him that aren't easy to get help with (e.g, he has hyper mobility and poor muscle tone so is getting physio and hydrotherapy, but it isn't so easy to know what to do with regards to social skills or his insistence on a million questions a day or his thirst for knowledge or the fact he likes to read the diary etc!. I also feel like we are focussing so much on the things is isn't good at that we are neglecting the things he IS good at and don't know if we should be pushing him academically rather than letting him coast along.?)
FaddyPeony - yes, definitely no gloating involved. I heard hushed comments from other parents in our circle and I just learned really fast never to tell ppl what dd was up to when they were busy comparing notes (eg at preschool "oh my kid knows the first few letters of the alphabet" " wow, my kid hasn't done that yet but she memorises her books. How about yours?" "Yeah, she's coming on ok"). It was a bit lonely at times.
I've just focused on her social skills more than anything to help her fit in and we've been commended by her teachers on how well adjusted she is for a kid at her level. She has tonnes of friends and can play with older kids or younger kids with ease. She runs into emotional difficulties a lot because she works out things that she shouldn't really be thinking about but she can't put it in context so she makes herself anxious. The school has been really on top of it and say its a common issue for kids with her level of advance.
I don't know any kids like her but I belong to a charity that helps families like us navigate the minefield and so I meet parents on their forum with kids in way more trouble than mine!!! ;-) I hope to go to one of their special weekends sometime to meet other parents and get some education myself on how to deal with it all. Also they put the kids together and give them great opportunities to do fun stuff in line with their interests so it's good for them too.
Thanks so much for understanding. There are always ppl who'll think we are deluded vain parents (hence why the only place I talk about this stuff is on specialised forums, and even here I seem to have provoked some unpleasant comments). Many of these children have bad experiences at school and become chronic underachievers so it's definitely nothing to brag about, rather something to worry about and manage.
I have 3 children who are all so totally different it's unbelievable!!
They were all very very early walkers (9.5-10 months) but ds1 didn't utter a word until 2 and 3 months whereas dd was talking and having complete adult conversations at 18 months (and she still doesn't stop talking now at 4!) ds2 is somewhere in the middle. Ds1 has a reading age of 14+ yet still can't put his socks on! I agree with a previous poster who said they wish thier child was a bit more "normal" ( for lack of a better word, it makes it sound like saying he's abnormal which isn't nice). Yes ds1 Can talk to you about space and nebulas and subspecies of animals and the romans and chemistry and scientific names for everything and what ever other subject is his favourite this week but he struggles socially etc.
OP he sounds just gorgeous and very like my dd who is not quite 17months. She's a chatty little moo and an awful lot of fun. I am trying to not be too pfb about her but she is really very lovely. Like a pp said, though, my DH is less able to control himself - I think he has his work colleagues bored stupid about her!
Pearlington your DD sounds truly extraordinary - I am sure you hear that all the time. I have honestly never heard anything quite like what you're describing. Have you come into contact with other children like your DD? I'd absolutely believe that it's a worry for a parent and not necessarily constant opportunities for secret pfb gloating. My sister is gifted but it's so very hard on little ones to deal with all that knowledge.
Lol. My point about Latin names is not what language they are but that they tend to be long and hard to say and applying these complex words correctly to different species of plant was pretty surprising to us when her peers were still just about saying flower, let alone knowing which one is a hydrangea or a rhododendron or being able to say those words. There's a hell of a lot of complex processing involved in forming those words, telling the difference between the two plants, let alone 20 plants and matching the correct name.
Trust me if I listed all the stuff she knew and discussed at that age you wouldn't think she was normal. When your child does freaky stuff all the time it does add up. I just used that as an example because it's easy to explain briefly.
I personally didn't find any of it impressive. I found it upsetting and scary. I don't think anyone should want their kids to be too different because it doesn't make for an easy ride or a happy life. I was constantly embarrassed at toddler groups and around other parents. Ppl were so freaked out by her. Pointing out a hellebores in a friend's garden didn't make that easier, nor correcting ppl that the dinosaur they were pointing too wasn't just "dinosaur" but a parasaurolophus (perfectly pronounced). Or being able to say and explain onomatopoeia. Yes she got the information from somewhere but a 17 month old doesn't normally retain or know how to apply that kind of stuff.
To be fair, being able to say the flower name in Latin rather than in English doesn't actually denote greater cleverness: a baby won't know that this is Latin and that it's supposed to be more difficult (any more than a Roman baby would have done ); to her they are just sounds. A Welsh baby isn't cleverer because he says words in Welsh and not in English.
But 700 words is certainly pretty impressive. And letters at 11 months- again pretty impressive.
For what it's worth, and ignoring the unpleasant poster who was sarcastic about advanced babies earlier, my DD spoke over 700 words at that age, spoke in complex sentences, could read all the letters and numbers and decode simple words, counted to 50, knew the Latin names of many plants, had started drawing faces (had proper pincer grip from 14m). No we didn't hothouse or push (I was actually pretty scared by it all rather than proud: I think most parents of kids who do things super early get freaked out - she suddenly started pointing out and naming letters at 11 months and I actually remember my stomach turning). She may well be gifted - she's six now and her reading age is adult - but it all brings enormous challenges and I wouldn't wish for it to be honest. It sounds like your child is doing really well, so encourage him and enjoy it!
DS was an early talker. He was very interested in cars, lorries etc. Every time the bin men came round he'd insist on going onto the balcony and shouting "big truck, big truck"
Except, at around 12 months, he couldn't quite pull off the "TR" and it came out sounding like "F".
Not sure who laughed more - the bin men or us.
DS was an absolute sponge - at 18 months he started saying "you wanker" at random moments in front of people like his grannie. We thought for a while he might have tourettes. The we realised he said it every time he heard a car horn and linked it back to his father who, every time he hit the hooter, said "you wanker" .
DD didn't talk as much but she is much better at numbers .
Enjoy him Catgirl.
That's brilliant DeWe
I'm glad I'm not that bad
He can be G&T for that
But not as pfb as the person I met in toddler group who was raging about her HV. At the 2 year check they asked if pfb said 50 words and she answered "He says 119, I think he must be a genius!" and the HV looked at her Apparently the HV didn't know genius when she saw it. She was going to complain to her GP.
He apparently could read the word "park" at 3 years, which also made him a genius, because whenever they drove past his favourite park he said "park" and he couldn't see the playground from the road, just the sign that said "park" so he was obviously reading it.
Thank you all for being so lovely and excusing my PFB moment
I have decided he is G&T: "Gorgeous and Talkative"
Btw, DD1 talks from the minute she wakes till the minute her eyes close. Literally!
She talks and even when she has nothing to say she'll talk for the sake of talking. I actually told her once that I would give her twenty pence if she could stop talking for two minutes (we were travelling back from holiday late at night, I was shattered and she hadn't stopped chattering since we had stepped on the coach - you know those times when you need two minutes to collect your thoughts). She told me that she loves chatting.
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