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Broncholitius - can help advise my friends son

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mummylove · 01/12/2004 13:19

My friends son is 17 mths and gets quite phelmy alot (excuse bad grammer) last winter he had a terible cough and early this year. He actually had to go into hospital a few times because he could not breathe. He has been fine for 5 months but last week caught a very bad cough, the doctor said its broncholitus, he said to me friend that sooner or later they will have to diagnose him as asthmatic. I suggested to my friend that while he has this bad cough to speak to our hv about changing his diet, cutting out dairy and maybe using goats milk. Can anyone else suggest anything to help her?
I noticed before when feeding him that as soon as i gave him a yogurt after his dinner he started making phelmy sounds and wheezing. I think he may have a milk allergy. any advice would be great.
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mummylove · 01/12/2004 13:20

oh my god - please please excuse my spelling and grammer - i swear i dont really sound like a pirate.

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tiredemma · 01/12/2004 19:12

sorry, dont have anything useful to add but im having same probs with my 18mth old and was told today that he may be asthmatic so i will be interested if anybody posts any ideas for you on here.

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WhizzzYouAMerryXmas · 01/12/2004 19:15

I only know to try & avoid dairy products when kids have colds as it increases mucous production. My DS has had one bout of broncilitus a good while back but fortunately it hasn't come back since

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MissYulie · 01/12/2004 19:30

Mummylove - my 1 yr old son was hospitalised twice last year with bronchiolitis. It is a viral infection and there was very little the doctors could do for him except to let him ride it out. He is now on inhalers which I don't let him have unless he is really bad. I don't want him to becomedependent on them iyswim. About the milk allergy, I was advised by a friend of mine who is very up on alternative foods and uses supplements etc alot that I shouldn't give him any milk. I have bf'd him for most of his first year and have not introduced milk in to his diet at all, that includes yogurts or cheese. TBH I feel that if he is asthmatic then there is little or nothing I can do for him. I really posted to let you know that I understand what you mean about the bronchiolitis and I am just praying we don't have another bout of it again this winter as it will end up in hosp.

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aloha · 02/12/2004 18:53

There are two very good studies showing that the belief that milk causes mucus is a myth. People think it does because of the way the milk feels as if it coating your mouth, but when the mucus production is actually checked, it's absolutely NOT raised, even in people who insist that it is.

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NatureDoc · 02/12/2004 20:11

Best to cut out all mucous forming foods such as cow's milk and wheat. Get a good probiotic as well. I would definitely find a good naturopath who can do allergy/intolerance tests - you will probably find someone in your area through www.babydirectory.com. Good luck!

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aloha · 02/12/2004 20:19

Anne Pearson, a nurse on the Campaign's Asthma UK Adviceline, agreed: 'Foods generally are not common triggers for asthma. It's very important that children have a well balanced diet, and dairy products play an important role in this as they are a vital source of calcium, riboflavin, protein and vitamins A and B12.

'There's a common myth that drinking milk produces mucus in the airways,' she added, 'but this is not the case: it just thickens the saliva temporarily. If you suspect that food is causing a problem for your child, you should keep a food and symptom diary for a period of time, then take it to your GP.'

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aloha · 02/12/2004 20:22

Milk, Mucus and Cough


Some people complain that milk makes their nose run, coats their throat and triggers coughing. Why is this so?

Everyone has mucus
Mucus consists of water, salt and various proteins that help to trap germs and particles of dirt. Antibacterial enzymes and proteins called antibodies also help to kill germs and protect from infection. Produced by cells within the nose, sinuses and lung, mucus is moved towards the back of the throat by microscopic "hair cells" (cilia) where it is then swallowed.

Mucus can irritate
Too much mucus can make the nose run or drip down the back of the throat, leading to "post-nasal drip". Typically caused by infections or allergy, excessive mucus can trigger cough, sore throats and husky voice.

Thick, dry mucus can also irritate the throat and be hard to clear. Dry mucus is more common in older people and in dry inland climates. Air conditioning, winter heating, dehydration and some medications (eg. some antihistamines, antidepressants and blood pressure medicines) can aggravate the condition.

Milk and mucus
Some people complain that when they have dairy products, their throat feels coated and mucus is thicker and harder to swallow. Recent research has shown that these feelings are due to the texture of the fluid, occur with similar liquids of the same "thickness" and are not due to increased production of mucus. When they do occur, symptoms are generally short-lived. Symptoms of cow's milk allergy are very different.

Milk does not cause middle problems
Middle ear infections (otitis media) are very common in early childhood. Infections are even more common when children suffer from allergic rhinitis ("hay fever") as well.
Allergic inflammation causes swelling in the nose and around the opening of the eustacian tube ("ear canal"), interfering with drainage of the middle ear. Like water in a stagnant pond, infection is more likely.

Children with cow's milk allergy sometimes appear to suffer from more frequent infections. This is not because milk causes infection, but rather because children with food allergy are more likely to suffer from an allergic nose as well.

Eliminating dairy product does not help asthma or allergic rhinitis
Asthma and allergic rhinitis ("hay fever") are normally triggered by substances that we inhale, such as pollen, dust mite, mould spores or animal danders. Dairy products rarely trigger asthma or hay fever. When they do, nasal symptoms are usually accompanied by obvious symptoms of allergy, such as severe hives, throat or tongue swelling or a drop in blood pressure ("shock") as well.

Recent studies have shown that milk has no effect on lung capacity, and does not trigger symptoms in patients with asthma any more than placebo. When patients complain of cough after having cold milk, it is usually due to breathing in cool air as they drink, and usually disappears if they warm the milk first.

Cutting out important foods can adversely affect nutrition
Milk and dairy products are an important source of calcium and other minerals needed for strong teeth and growing bones. Cutting out milk unnecessarily can limit choices, reduce your enjoyment of food and may adversely affect nutrition. If it does become necessary to eliminate milk and other dairy products from your diet for some reason, make sure you substitute other calcium containing foods and drinks, or take a calcium supplement. If you need further information, consult a qualified dietitian. In most sufferers, dietary restriction is of little benefit in asthma or hay fever, and distracts efforts away from more productive areas such as allergen avoidance.



References


  1. Pinnock CB, Arney WK. The milk-mucus belief: sensory analysis comparing cow's milk and a soy placebo. Appetite 1993 Feb;20(1):61-70

  2. Arney WK, Pinnock CB. The milk mucus belief: sensations associated with the belief and characteristics of believers. Appetite 1993 Feb;20(1):53-60

  3. Pinnock CB, Graham NM, Mylvaganam A, Douglas RM. Relationship between milk intake and mucus production in adult volunteers challenged with rhinovirus-2. Am Rev Respir Dis 1990 Feb;141(2):352-6

  4. Juntti H, Tikkanen S, Kokkonen J, Alho OP, Niinimaki A. Cow's milk allergy is associated with recurrent otitis media during childhood. Acta Otolaryngol 1999;119(8):867-73

  5. Bernaola G, Echechipia S, Urrutia I, Fernandez E, Audicana M, Fernandez de Corres L. Occupational asthma and rhinoconjunctivitis from inhalation of dried cow's milk caused by sensitization to alpha-lactalbumin. Allergy 1994 Mar;49(3):189-91

  6. Woods RK, Weiner JM, Abramson M, Thien F, Walters EH.Do dairy products induce bronchoconstriction in adults with asthma? J Allergy Clin Immunol 1998 Jan;101 (1 Pt 1):45-50

  7. Nguyen MT. Effect of cow milk on pulmonary function in atopic asthmatic patients. Ann Allergy Asthma Immunol 1997 Jul;79(1):62-64

  8. Scarlett Salman, Lynn Christie, Wesley Burks, Mccabe-Sellers. Dietary Intakes of Children With Food Allergies: Comparison of the Food Guide Pyramid and the Recommended Dietary Allowances 10th Ed. J Allergy Clin Immunol 2002; 109 (1: Part 2): Abstract 643.


    Last updated March 2002
    © ASCIA 2002

    The Australasian Society of Clinical Immunology and Allergy (ASCIA) is the peak professional body of Clinical Allergists and Immunologists in Australia and New Zealand. Inquiries:
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aloha · 02/12/2004 20:27

Milk, Mucus and Cough


Some people complain that milk makes their nose run, coats their throat and triggers coughing. Why is this so?

Everyone has mucus
Mucus consists of water, salt and various proteins that help to trap germs and particles of dirt. Antibacterial enzymes and proteins called antibodies also help to kill germs and protect from infection. Produced by cells within the nose, sinuses and lung, mucus is moved towards the back of the throat by microscopic "hair cells" (cilia) where it is then swallowed.

Mucus can irritate
Too much mucus can make the nose run or drip down the back of the throat, leading to "post-nasal drip". Typically caused by infections or allergy, excessive mucus can trigger cough, sore throats and husky voice.

Thick, dry mucus can also irritate the throat and be hard to clear. Dry mucus is more common in older people and in dry inland climates. Air conditioning, winter heating, dehydration and some medications (eg. some antihistamines, antidepressants and blood pressure medicines) can aggravate the condition.

Milk and mucus
Some people complain that when they have dairy products, their throat feels coated and mucus is thicker and harder to swallow. Recent research has shown that these feelings are due to the texture of the fluid, occur with similar liquids of the same "thickness" and are not due to increased production of mucus. When they do occur, symptoms are generally short-lived. Symptoms of cow's milk allergy are very different.

Milk does not cause middle problems
Middle ear infections (otitis media) are very common in early childhood. Infections are even more common when children suffer from allergic rhinitis ("hay fever") as well.
Allergic inflammation causes swelling in the nose and around the opening of the eustacian tube ("ear canal"), interfering with drainage of the middle ear. Like water in a stagnant pond, infection is more likely.

Children with cow's milk allergy sometimes appear to suffer from more frequent infections. This is not because milk causes infection, but rather because children with food allergy are more likely to suffer from an allergic nose as well.

Eliminating dairy product does not help asthma or allergic rhinitis
Asthma and allergic rhinitis ("hay fever") are normally triggered by substances that we inhale, such as pollen, dust mite, mould spores or animal danders. Dairy products rarely trigger asthma or hay fever. When they do, nasal symptoms are usually accompanied by obvious symptoms of allergy, such as severe hives, throat or tongue swelling or a drop in blood pressure ("shock") as well.

Recent studies have shown that milk has no effect on lung capacity, and does not trigger symptoms in patients with asthma any more than placebo. When patients complain of cough after having cold milk, it is usually due to breathing in cool air as they drink, and usually disappears if they warm the milk first.

Cutting out important foods can adversely affect nutrition
Milk and dairy products are an important source of calcium and other minerals needed for strong teeth and growing bones. Cutting out milk unnecessarily can limit choices, reduce your enjoyment of food and may adversely affect nutrition. If it does become necessary to eliminate milk and other dairy products from your diet for some reason, make sure you substitute other calcium containing foods and drinks, or take a calcium supplement. If you need further information, consult a qualified dietitian. In most sufferers, dietary restriction is of little benefit in asthma or hay fever, and distracts efforts away from more productive areas such as allergen avoidance.



References


  1. Pinnock CB, Arney WK. The milk-mucus belief: sensory analysis comparing cow's milk and a soy placebo. Appetite 1993 Feb;20(1):61-70

  2. Arney WK, Pinnock CB. The milk mucus belief: sensations associated with the belief and characteristics of believers. Appetite 1993 Feb;20(1):53-60

  3. Pinnock CB, Graham NM, Mylvaganam A, Douglas RM. Relationship between milk intake and mucus production in adult volunteers challenged with rhinovirus-2. Am Rev Respir Dis 1990 Feb;141(2):352-6

  4. Juntti H, Tikkanen S, Kokkonen J, Alho OP, Niinimaki A. Cow's milk allergy is associated with recurrent otitis media during childhood. Acta Otolaryngol 1999;119(8):867-73

  5. Bernaola G, Echechipia S, Urrutia I, Fernandez E, Audicana M, Fernandez de Corres L. Occupational asthma and rhinoconjunctivitis from inhalation of dried cow's milk caused by sensitization to alpha-lactalbumin. Allergy 1994 Mar;49(3):189-91

  6. Woods RK, Weiner JM, Abramson M, Thien F, Walters EH.Do dairy products induce bronchoconstriction in adults with asthma? J Allergy Clin Immunol 1998 Jan;101 (1 Pt 1):45-50

  7. Nguyen MT. Effect of cow milk on pulmonary function in atopic asthmatic patients. Ann Allergy Asthma Immunol 1997 Jul;79(1):62-64

  8. Scarlett Salman, Lynn Christie, Wesley Burks, Mccabe-Sellers. Dietary Intakes of Children With Food Allergies: Comparison of the Food Guide Pyramid and the Recommended Dietary Allowances 10th Ed. J Allergy Clin Immunol 2002; 109 (1: Part 2): Abstract 643.


    Last updated March 2002
    © ASCIA 2002

    The Australasian Society of Clinical Immunology and Allergy (ASCIA) is the peak professional body of Clinical Allergists and Immunologists in Australia and New Zealand. Inquiries:
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SenoraPostrophe · 02/12/2004 20:31

That´s great, Aloha: I always thought it was a myth.

mummylove: 2 of my friends´kids have milk allergy, and believe me, if your friend´s son had it you wouldn´t have to ask about it - the reaction is immediate and very obvious.

Some babies are just phlegmier than others - my two could snot for England, but it makes no difference at all if I cut out milk. I have been known to cut it out as dd develops a mild milk intolerance after taking antibiotics - by intolerance I mean tummy problems - I may not be using the correct word.

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