To think the young Support the EU party due to indoctrination

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sandrabedminster Mon 27-Jun-16 09:18:04

Www.csptaineuro.EU

I do remember when I was in school the EEC was part of the curriculum and we seemed to watch hours of beautiful young people eating delicious food and enjoying tourist attractions.

My 6 year old nephew has been reeling off "people in Europe are nice so we should stay together". This hasn't come from his parents .

A small amount of 18-24 voted, the educated and presumably well off. Could their only experience of the EU going on holiday?

People in charge of huge uni emailing lists have used them to mail millions to say we should stay in.

sandrabedminster Mon 27-Jun-16 09:18:42

Www.captaineuro.EU even, standing on the train blush

DavidPuddy Mon 27-Jun-16 09:20:36

Very patronising.

MaidOfStars Mon 27-Jun-16 09:24:06

I imagine the 'educated' 18-24 year olds have experience of the EU because, you know, they grew up as members of the EU.

Younger people live far more thoroughly in a global environment that older people. They are a generation who form relationships, both social and work, with people they will never meet. How do you argue for 'small country' with someone who communicates by solely by Skype?

You watched beautiful people and delicious food on videos. For me (and I'm not even in that young a category), it's my lived reality.

MaidOfStars Mon 27-Jun-16 09:25:55

Sorry, 'educated' is in quotation marks because I was going somewhere else with that statement. The word has no place in the setence as it ended up. I'm not suggesting that only educated 18-24 year olds feel part of the EU!

someonestolemynick Mon 27-Jun-16 09:27:38

Or maybe they just looked at the facts rather than have soundbites scare them.

The EU is amazing and being an EU citizen is a huge privilege. The EU has a democratically elected parliament, invests in weak economies (like Cornwall) and programmes like Erasmus make it easy for going Europeans to study in a different country.
It's a bit rich of you to talk of indoctrination considering you seemed to have swallowed the "EU is the boogey man" propaganda. I hope you are proud of yourself.

mamamea Mon 27-Jun-16 09:28:19

Yes, my eight year old came home from school on the day of the referendum was some very peculiar ideas about the supposed benefits of being in the EU. (Things like being able to go on holiday to France, as if that would be impossible otherwise.)

MotherOfBleach Mon 27-Jun-16 09:29:48

I think young people wanted to stay because the EU give a lot of funding to universities that they are worried they now won't get.

They want the opportunity to live and study elsewhere in the EU, which they are now worried they won't get.

They want the opportunity to work elsewhere in the EU, which they are now worried they won't get.

They didn't want to see the economy crash and burn for X amount of years, just as they are coming out of education and into the workforce.

Those are the reasons I've heard from young people.

practy Mon 27-Jun-16 09:32:42

Being in the Euro makes sense if you are young. The opportunity to work and live abroad is a huge advantage. When I was young you had to get work visas to work in any other country

practy Mon 27-Jun-16 09:33:40

And there is a reason 6 year olds can not vote

DollyBarton Mon 27-Jun-16 09:37:59

I think everyone does everything because of indoctrination.

JudyCoolibar Mon 27-Jun-16 09:39:58

So, were you indoctrinated, OP? If not, how do you imagine you alone escaped? Or have you been indoctrinated by someone else?

JE678 Mon 27-Jun-16 09:43:30

As a teacher can I just tell you to do one. We no more indoctrinate about the EU than the benefits of buying purple cheese. Education has changed lots since you were at school, we develop critical thinkers not fill empty vessels.

MissHooliesCardigan Mon 27-Jun-16 09:47:18

What total bollocks. There are numerous Leave voters saying that they didn't actually mean for Brexit to win and were just protesting and many others saying that they now realise they were conned. I haven't seen a single person saying that they regret voting Remain. One of the saddest things about this whole sorry mess is the way it has set generations against each other.

ilovesooty Mon 27-Jun-16 09:50:12

Is this your attempt at being "controversial" today OP?

What a load of bilge.

nagynolonger Mon 27-Jun-16 09:52:20

Some young people have never been abroad and don't have a passport. To have opportunity you do need money unfortunately. I doubt if many poor people of any age feel part of the EU.

Lighteningirll Mon 27-Jun-16 09:53:44

I've met several people saying they wanted to vote Leave but were scared and would vote Leave now given that the sky hasn't fallen in. I think it depends who you talk to, I voted Leave and was moderately vocal about it and have received appalling abuse. Leave voters are not all racist idiots any more than Remain voters are treasonous, democracy haters.If we held another Referendum I'm sure you'd get the same amount of swopping sides from either side.

Lonecatwithkitten Mon 27-Jun-16 09:54:39

Well some universities did email. I am a student at Liverpool and had three emails from the University reminding me to vote.

PurpleRainDiamondsandPearls Mon 27-Jun-16 09:56:21

If you were making sweeping statements about a different (older) age group, you'd have people screeching "ageism". wink

GraceGrape Mon 27-Jun-16 10:00:44

No, but I think some leave voters were indoctrinated with anti-EU sentiment from reading the Sun, Daily Mail and Daily Express.

LosingTheWillToSkate Mon 27-Jun-16 10:30:48

OP stop being such a patronising fuck.

Young people are no more indoctrinated than anybody else. But we're of a generation where global mobility is of the norm. Personally I have friends across Europe, I work for a European company and spend a fair amount of time travelling within Europe to our various sites. This is the norm.

Us young folk also have a fair understanding of the economic consequences, what with it being us most recently educated in them, us facing the consequences of them (employment, interest rates, ability to secure a mortgage, uni fees etc)

Everybody has their reasons for how they cast their vote.

SharkBaitOohHaha Mon 27-Jun-16 10:31:58

YABU and horrendously patronising.

elastamum Mon 27-Jun-16 10:33:47

OP. I would bet my final £ my economist reading 15 year old is a lot better informed on the EU than you are. biscuit

practy Mon 27-Jun-16 10:34:26

Yes some young people have ever been abroad and feel so hopeless about their future they may think they never will go.
But the reality is many young people do want to work abroad. Anyone with money can travel abroad. Being able to work abroad means those without money can see other countries and earn enough to fund that.

Sparklemummyx0x0x Mon 27-Jun-16 10:50:28

Sorry off track here
Is it bad I had to google the word 'indoctrination'? I've also had to in the past google what left and right wing means and even before all this started, I didn't know what a referendum was.
But hey we all start somewhere and I can save a life with CPR and work bloody hard as a health care professional so we all have our uses.

Your 6yr old nephew said that? My 6yr old has no idea about the EU, or to be honest politics in general, if he even knows what politics is, which I doubt. Should I be telling him suff like this? Because at this moment in time I'm more interested in getting him to read pass his turquoise book stage and being able to tell the time and do his maths up to 20.

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