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Karate / Judo / Tai Kwan Do (sp?) ??

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poppynic · 07/11/2006 11:24

DP wants to send DS to some form of martial arts to help try and prevent DS suffering from bullying. (DS hasn't been bullied so far and is pretty confident but DP was bullied at school and is anxious DS doesn't suffer the same fate.) Does anyone have any views on what would be best to send a fairly gentle DS to at probably about 5?

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SSSandy · 07/11/2006 11:26

My dd just turned 6 and she's been going to Kung Fu for about a month. I'm very happy with it.

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Freckle · 07/11/2006 11:29

DS2 has been doing karate for a number of years now. He is now 10 and a brown belt. He tried Ju Jitsu for a while, but got bored with it, although that might have been because of the standard of teaching.

His karate teacher is great, very good with children and very amusing (humour is a great tool to keep their attention).

5 is very young to start as the pupil needs to concentrate a lot and that can be a bit difficult at that age. Some do it without any problem, but I have seen 5 year olds start and then not come back after a while because they aren't supposed to fidget too much.

I would advise going along to some trial sessions for each discipline. Most teachers are happy for a child to come to the first two or three sessions for free as a taster. Stay and watch a few classes to see if it is something your child would enjoy and also to see how the teacher engages with the children.

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mumblechum · 07/11/2006 14:31

We didn't send our ds till he'd just turned 11. My dh used to teach it at Uni and always said we shouldn't start ds too early as he'd be much more likely to get bored/find the discipline too much and therefore give up before giving it a proper chance.
He's now done 5 gradings (these happen quarterly) and loves it.
It does, imo, increase confidence and the teacher will stress to the children that it must only ever be used if they're in a threatening situation, and it's not for use in the playground.
I'd leave it till at least age 8 if you want your ds to go the whole hog to black belt, but if it's just for a bit of fun & exercise and you don't mind him giving it up after a year or so, then by all means start him now.
I'd check, if I were you, that there won't be any free sparring until he's done a few gradings.

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Iklboo · 07/11/2006 14:35

It also helps if you do it as well (if they run an adult class at same time). I did it with my parents when I was younger & it encouraged me (not to be shown up by parents doing better )

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flack · 07/11/2006 14:36

There's a Tiny Tigers programme locally for under 7s. Try to find something like that, appropriate for your son's age and dvelopment.

My only other opinion about Karate is that it's bl**dy expensive. Works out as £260 a year around here, and that's without buying the special clothes or attending the grading sessions. DS (7) lost all interest after only 3 sessions, but after I had forked out £46 (£26 for annual license, £20 for monthly fees). I am groveling to get the £26 back (I can live in hope).

I know he's done me a favour, though. Big savings in the long run.

Football is only £1 a week, you don't have to pay anything if you don't go, and the kit is a lot cheaper, too!

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sarz · 08/11/2006 16:16

i used to instruct karate and i think it is a great hobby for children, providing you get a good instructer, karate like many other martial arts has many 'branches' that teach quite different things. The style i train in and used to teach is called GKR. The lesson are taught so that adults and children can be taught togther, which is a great idea, you also pay £25 for LIFE TIME membership (not yearly like some other clubs) the lessons are about £6 each but you get family discount if more than one train together, and you dont pay for missed sessions.

On the confidence side it works wonders, and as for attention, its a miracle worker. (i taught many children with ADHD) With GKR along with the basics, alot of karate games are played, so its not all hard work. hope this helps!

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Blackfeet · 08/11/2006 22:59

But GKR isnt classed as real karate, it's not recognised by the karate governing body so any grades he gets will be useless in any other style and he won't be able to join in competitions with other clubs either...no offense but my experience of GKR was a very bad one.

I would recomenD Taekwondo but not at the age of 5, leave him until he's at least 7.

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poppynic · 09/11/2006 09:57

Thanks everyone for your input. It's all interesting and helpful. I'm interested in find out what is the different emphasis in each of the styles (i.e., more or less aggressive, spiritual, etc. etc.?)

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Loshad · 09/11/2006 10:18

agree with flack it really is bl**dy expensive - rugby is £30/year, and cubs £60/year - with the rugby all the competition fees etc are included, karate costs a bomb, annual membership fee, grading fee 3x year, charges for badges frequently, uniform plus class fees for each session - about £210/year here if go once a week, or £360 if twice a week.

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sarz · 09/11/2006 11:46

Blackfeet, i am not sure you have your facts straight as you can enter competitions with other styles. GKR is a mixture of Shotokan and some other styles, and yes it is REAL karate. I am sorry you had a bad experince with GKR.

The emphasis is not aggressive at all, sparing is not allowed with the new pupils, and when it is allowed, it is absolutly non-contact.

The best advice would be to take your DS to watch a few different classes, that way he can see what martial art he likes the look of, and you can see if you like the teaching style and see what age the other children are. I took my charge to his 1st karate lesson last night (he is 5) and he loved it.

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somethingunderthebedisdrooling · 09/11/2006 11:56

i have done and hope to continue shotokan karate. my sensei is a 6th dan and regularly starts childrn from 4 yrs old. they can truly blossom and i have seen him bring some fidgety and unruly (older) kids settle in and calm down. he is also a fireman and have the occasional kid who have been referred by the courts as a way of sorting out their antisocial behaviour.

i agree that humour is a great way to keep kids on side. shotokan is very safe for young children as it is none contact and grading is focussed on katas (much akin to choreographed dancing) rather than combat or sparring till higher grades.

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mummygunpowdertreasonhill · 09/11/2006 12:27

Another vote for shotokan here.

Sarz so sorry but if you go on martial arts plannet, bulshido or ebudo you will find lots of people who have had negative experiences with GKR.

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Thaigal · 09/11/2006 20:55

I too had a bad experience with GKR. Two of their "instructors" came knocking at our door (be very wary of karate instructors going door to door!). They told me that they start children aged from 5, I told them my DS was only 4 so he looked at him and said "erm, that's ok...we'll take him" (I later found out that they're not insured for children under the age of 5).

After a lot of pursuation I agreed to have him come back and show me some info, this is where I found out their extortionate prices. Apparantly their join up fee was £80 but they were "doing a special offer" and we could join for £25, I later found out that this is their standard selling line! I wasn't at all happy about having to pay to join a club which we had not yet seen (be very wary clubs like this) but I stupidly paid the fee and agreed he could join. I then found out their lessons were £5 an hour!! this is also extortionate, most karate classes charge between £2-£3 for upto 2 hours.

Anyway we went to the class and were not at all impressed, the highest ranking student was an orange belt and their "instructor" was a cocky 20 something bloke who's main interest was making the parents laugh than actually teaching the students anything. The vast majority of the class were doing all the moves wrong and they were not corrected, just ignored and for £5 a lesson you expect a little more.

On his 3rd lesson I got talking to one of the "instructors", during the conversation he said "oh yeah, I've been doing it for a few months now, I'm getting really into it!"....a few months and he was wearing a black belt?? it should take anything from 3-5 years to get a black belt!! and this man was also teaching?? I later found out that at GKR you don't "need" to be a black belt to teach...infact anything from a yellow belt upwards can teach, they just do a little course and then stick on a black belt. This IMO is wrong.

After about 5 humerous classes I took my son out (far too many examples of bad things to list here in those 5 classes) but when I looked further into GKR I found some pretty disturbing stuff about them.

I know a black belt (a proper black belt! in wado ryu) who was so concerned when he started getting all these ex GKR students at his class that he posed as a white belt and joined a gkr class, he stayed for 10 minutes before walking out in disgust.

I have an orange belt in GKR and I honestly think that if I stuck a brown belt on and joined up at a GKR class they wouldn't know the difference.

Also, how can GKR students take part in sparring competitions when they're the only style of karate that is completely non contact? surely they wouldnt last very long sparring against a proper karate student who is used to contact sparring?

Personally I would take your son to either Taekwondo, proper karate or Kung Fu. Please avoid GKR like the plague.

Please avoid them at all costs.

(p.s. a few months ago another gkr "instructor" came to my door and tried to pursuade me to take my kids OUT of their current taekwondo classes and join their club! as if I would really throw a years training and 2 grades away just like that! a real karate instructor would never suggest such a thing).

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sarz · 10/11/2006 12:15

I am sorry to hear that everyone has had such a bad experience with GKR! Yes they do recruit members by door to door selling, and i to am not sure how much i agree with. The instructers that are only yellow belt do not wear black belts, nor do they (at least they shouldnt!) claim to be black belts, they have a black and white belt. The course to teach is very intense and difficult, and is then followed by an exam, and to teach you have to also train in a 'instructers' class every week that is very intense. As for contact, somethingunderthebedisdrooling says that shotokan is also non-contact, and personally i didnt join karate (proper or otherwise) to come home in bruises, i started it to increaes my fitness, make new friends, learn some self defense and have fun. All of which i have done at GKR.

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mummyhill · 10/11/2006 12:43

how can this be a traditional Japanese system when it was developed by a white Australian?

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Thaigal · 10/11/2006 13:52

Sorry that should say I have an orange belt in karate, not GKR.

I suppose if you're just looking for a hobby and a way to socialise then GKR would do but for self defence or if you actually want to go through true karate ranks then join any other form of karate but GKR. Remember you could train for years (or months in GKR!) and gain a black belt but at any other club it would be useless and would not be a recognised grade by the karate governing body.

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