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HELP !! Advice required for stroppy six year old boy.

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Rhiannon · 02/08/2001 18:54

My little boy is 6 years and 4 months. He constantly answers back and his favourite current saying is he is "bored". He is on holiday with my parents at the moment and the feedback I'm getting about him is making me ashamed that he's mine.

I now only let him play with his GameBoy if he has earned it by being good. I have removed all TV channels except the original 4. I do smack him and he knows what is expected of him and I also explain why he was smacked when I smack him.

He earns gold stars for being good, or kind to his sister etc and often they are given out of the blue. He earned some recently for an award he received at school for public speaking and for improving his swimming. When he gets 10 stars, he chooses a gift for himself. He chose Pokemon cards (what a surprise!).

Next week he is being taken to the Robot Wars live show but at the moment I don't see why I should be giving him a reward.

Help.....is it all down hill from here?

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Ems · 02/08/2001 19:15

No advice I'm afraid rhiannon, as mine is 6 months behind you, but the RW show is great!

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Rhiannon · 02/08/2001 19:28

Ems, that is not what I want to hear!!!!!

At the moment I want to go on my own and not even take him to the show, but would not taking him do any good?

P.S I love Robot Wars! but don't tell anyone SShh!

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Kia · 02/08/2001 20:03

How long have you got between RW and his return from hols? Lay down the law about the b-word and expect major good behaviour from now until the show. Say that you have been asked to give the ticket up for another little boy if necessary - they know the show is great - mine would take it like a shot! Tell him he has to earn double stars to make up for behaviour on hols! Do you think he was just saying I'm bored because of the shock value on your parents?! Kids can sense guilt from miles away! Perhaps they took him somewhere where they were having fun and forgot that a 6 year old might not see it that way too! Just a suggestion! It wont help you, but its a phase they all go through, finding the barriers. Yes I thought what a load of sh1te when someone told me that too, and I cringe as I type it!! One of our major problems at that age was teaching ourselves not to react to bad behaviour by flying off the handle (God it was difficult!) and give him a clip round the ear!! It sounds really yuppyish but we tried to makee him recognise when the bad behaviour was about to escalate beyond control and get him take time out (hopefully in his room or away from us) to calm down and to come back when he felt sensible again. No back chat, no lecture, just time-out and we'll talk again later. It is working so much better now, but there were occasions when I could cheerfully have wrung his neck. Another thing is to make going out with your parents something that only good boys can do and don't allow him to go again until he begs you!! Hey, I'm not the wicked witch for nothing you know!!

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Janh · 03/08/2001 09:55

rhiannon, not taking him to RW if he doesn't shape up before it, will do LOADS of good - it demonstrates that you really mean what you say and will make him take much more notice in future.

one of the worst things you can do, discipline-wise, is not carry through on a threat to withdraw a major treat, however much you want them to have the treat. and conversely, carrying through is one of the best things you can do - you will always have it to remind him of in future!!!

also, if you take him even if you feel he doesn't deserve it, it will spoil your enjoyment of it. take another mum and let the dads be the minders!!!

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Rhiannon · 03/08/2001 10:12

He's home from holiday in 3 hours time! Robot Wars is in 4 days time. Like you Janh, I never make a threat I won't carry out. I'll see how he is when he gets home. He's been staying on the beach at Swanage in Dorset for a week, he's been digging, swimming, eating ice creams and been playing on the machines all week. Sounds like heaven to me as a 6 year old.

I was told last night that when my Mum put his dinner in front of him one night and he didn't want it, my Mum spoke to him and he put his hands over his ears saying "shut up, shut up, shut up". I hate him answering back and being rude, more suggestions please!!

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Joe · 03/08/2001 10:38

Rhiannon - I am having a similar problem with the children I look after, one girl of 7 and boy of 11. They fight all the time and I mean really fight hitting each other, kicking, spitting and anything else you can think of. I had a lovely evening planned for them on the last day of term and in the end they didnt go. I had fingers jammed in doors, kicking, strangling with a skipping rope and the girl running down a busy road on her scooter and not coming back. I had to put my son in his pram and go and get her. All this lasted for over an hour. They are often like this and miss out on alot of things I plan for them but it doesnt seem to make any difference. I have had things thrown at me and screamed and shouted at. I am very easy going and try to get around it most times without shouting at them but I think in their situation it is plan old attention seeking, but I really could do without it.

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Tigermoth · 03/08/2001 10:39

Rhiannon, speaking as the mother of a 7 year old boy on the naughty side of lively, it's not all down hill from here...... oops! work calls - I'll post more in an hour or two!

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Janh · 03/08/2001 11:10

oh, rhiannon, i wouldn't say i never make a threat i won't carry out! sometimes i just feel so worn down i cave in - or else loss of brain cells makes me forget what i threatened...

does he normally behave as rudely as this? maybe your parents are expecting too much from him in the way of "acceptable" behaviour and nagging him all day? presumably he can't tell you exactly what's going on and why he's behaving like this.

well, at least you've got the 3/4 days to talk about things and get straight with him. maybe he would just have preferred to stay home and chill instead of going to his grandparents', however lovely it is down there?

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Tigermoth · 03/08/2001 13:18

I'm back. Call me a big softy, but I wouldn't bring Robot Wars into this at all. Just go and have fun. After all, you've got the tickets already and he's probably been telling all his friends about it for ages. If RW was a long way off and you were at the planning stage, then the threat could be a good option. Anyway now it's too late, it's too good to miss and he'll think you're such a mean mum if you stop him going.

Yes, you've got to get firm with him about his rudeness, but find some other way. I'm awful at getting firm, but since having a stroppy son, I've got a bit better. I just don't have any natural air of authority, though.

Leading on from what Janh has just said, first talk to him about his holiday. Be really interested and find out what he enjoyed and what he didn't. Try and get him to joke along with you about the latter like did granny try and give you her famous scrambled eggs again?. Then in a neutral tone of voice, mention that you heard he said 'shut up' to his grandmother one teatime. Find out his side of the story. There's no way you can let him off the hook, but if it was me I'd say something like ' you know how much I hate 'attitude'. It's rude and people won't like you if you behave like that. You won't get invited to your friend's houses or go on sleepovers. Do you think I'd have one of your friends to tea if I thought they'd say nasty things to me? I don't care if your grandma was nagging you etc, you don't say those words. If things are really making you cross and you can't think what to do, next time you ask to phone me and I'll talk to grandma.'

The I'd probably have a firm talk about his behavour now he's home, and say the treats you have planned for the next few weeks of the holiday depend on him being good. Be a bit mysterious about the treats (that leaves you with room for manouvre), but very specific about potential punishments (so he knows where he stands)like taking away his gameboy, pokemon cards, bike etc.

Coincidently, my 7-year old is due back from his holiday with his grandparents this weekend. They live near the near the beach in Devon. We've phoned each night and the feedback has been uncannily positive - as usaul. Nanny, grandpa and son seem to have one big mutual appreciation society going on down there, fuelled by lots of homemade puddings. According to nanny, son is a joy to have around, even asked if it was time to get up at 7.00 am one morning, and obediently went back to sleep when he was told that it was not. WHAT is going on down there?? Who is this boy paragon?? I don't put this down to to our good parenting. Why doesn't he behave like this at home?

I get plenty of the kicking doors, swearing (I'm sad to say), throwing his shoes around, answering back behavour. But it has got a little better as he grows up. I went through a really rocky phase with him, smacking him, saying 'no' and shouting at him. When he's dong something unacceptable my first instinct is to send him to his room. And he always refuses to go. He's too big to be carried up, so I have to theaten him with a punishment, just to get him to go upstairs.

Anyway, I'm probably teaching you to suck eggs, but here's what seems to work (a bit). I definity feel that many of his 'strops' are caused by him not coping with peer group pressure too well. Peer group pressure seemed to get worse and worse for him from 6 onwards. That may explain why he's so good with nanny and grandpa. He's can be bad with boys his own age They all seem to get so over excited with lots of swaggerng around, showing off and being 'cool'. He's also not that good with older girls - they are too adept at winding him up and teasing him. After playing with them he does have a tendency to take it out on mummy by having a strop. And the more he's in an arguementative, competitive group, the more the attitude seems to stick. He's can be a different child with girls of his own age, however. Much more laid back and easy. Goodness this sounds so sexist. It's just reflecting the way many boys and girls seem to play differently.

Anyway, I've had to rein him in a bit lately, by rationing the time he gets to play with some of his friends, nice children in themselves, but they bring out the worst in my son. I havn't told him I'm doing this, because it's not a punishment as such, just a slight adjustment to his social life, avoiding situations where I suspect he'll start misbehaving - and slighty upping the time he spends alone with me.

Also, I've followed that positive parenting adivce, with atttention and praise when he's been goodetc etc. It really, really, has made a difference. I'm sure you know all that stuff so I won't go into it now.

Running out of time...

Good luck, Rhiannon!

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Tigermoth · 03/08/2001 15:07

Just thought of other tactics I employ to minimise strops:

I make sure he knows what we are planning to do, and why, well in advance. And make sure he knows I'm trying to take his wants into account. So if he's watching TV, I'll tell him can have half an hour of cartoons but then he has to have quick shower to freshen up becasue we're going out. But I won't disturb him until the last possible minute, if he will promise to have his shower quickly. And get him to agree. Then when I summon him it's not an unexpected shock leading to a strop. I know I'd get bad tempered if I had no warning of what was happeining during the day, soi I try to avoid surprises. When my son was younger, I could easilty announce'we're going to go the park now'and expect no come-back. Now he's older, he demands more warning, otherwise he tends to get irritated.

I also ask him what he wants to do on the days we're together, not that we always do 'his' things, but at least it makes him feel important.

And the last thing - a tactic I've used just recently, but it is quite effective, is to distance yourself and come over all vague. Say 'it doesn't matter a jot to me if we go to the ice cream shop or not. I really don't mind. But if you do want to go, put your shoes on and get a clean T shirt from your room. Just tell me when you're ready. I'll be reading a magazine in the kitchen.' Honestly, this can really take the wind out of his sails!

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Rhiannon · 03/08/2001 17:13

Thanks Tigermoth, he's home and I've just go the pair of scallywags out of a hot bath as they both look like they've been wearing the same clothes all week and by the minimal amount of dirty washing there is, they probably have!

I've just got him to read the first thread that I posted although he is unable to believe that it's about him! Interesting what you say about older girls. For 4 days my brother's girls were there age 9 and 12 and there were constant problems with him not wanting to join in and getting stroppy.

We have had a 'respect' conversation and we'll see how it goes over the weekend.

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Kmg · 04/08/2001 04:42

Rhiannon - I can't really comment, as my boys are much younger (2 and 4), so I've got all this to come. (When DO boys start getting easier than girls? Do boys' mums worry less about teenagers?). How old is your daughter? Just a little thought - have you considered sending him on his own to grandparents in future, as a real treat? My boys are going through a phase of playing nicely together, (no, I know it won't last long). But they do seem to thrive on having time apart too. They are a handful, but my parents can cope with both for a week, but I prefer to send them separately, so that they can both have some extra attention, and some space from each other too. Maybe this won't work for you for practical considerations anyway.

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Copper · 04/08/2001 10:34

How's it going, Rhiannon? I've been unable to post 2 long messages, for some reason - very aggravatng.

I really like Tigermoth's approach. After all, although your son hasn't been polite to or appreciative of Grandma, he may have been troubled by something there - if he is condemned without his side being heard, he is not going to expect understanding from you in future. If there wasn't anything, then he needs to know that his was an unpleasant way to behave.

Here's something from the Mumsnet facts - Children who are taught why they have hurt other people instead of merely being reprimanded are able to understand other people's feelings much earlier than their peers. (University of Sussex research.

I suppose the ideal is to teach them to think about others (and real good manners)rather than force them into 'politeness'. Not that easy when you have a stroppy six year old and a complaining grandmother.

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Copper · 04/08/2001 10:45

Actually, he needs to know it was wrong to behave like that even if he was upset by something. Do you think 'bored' meant homesick, miserable, wanting something to be a bit different? One of my sons can't express worries except by 'bad' behaviour- sulking and being unpleasant - and we have to work our way back through that to find out what's going on underneath. Sounds just like his dad really ... Except the little one gets told off for behaving badly ...

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Copper · 04/08/2001 10:49

Anyway, if he is bored, I actually think it's quite good for them to be bored - as long as you can leave them to work their way through it and find something to do for themselves. Let him get bored with being bored!

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Janh · 04/08/2001 18:12

me again, rhiannon. i'm just wondering if it was mostly down to being odd boy out with the big cousins and his sister? copper's right that he still needs to be pointed in the direction of consideration for others and general politeness but if they were - possibly? - winding him up a bit it's entirely understandable that a boy his age wouldn't necessarily be able to cope very well.

my son is 8 and regularly falls out with other kids because they make things up and he will insist on telling them that whatever it is "isn't true". (he is a very fact-based boy). we keep on telling him that if he knows they are making up stories he should just keep quiet and go along with the game but he either can't, or just forgets...and ends up at home, upset.

so even giving them a strategy doesn't necessarily work - saying nothing when you're not happy about a situation is difficult for a talkative child. sorry, i'm rambling on here, but do you see what i mean? he is still little - as copper said about her son, maybe being sulky and rude is the only way he can cope with resentment yet.

what have you found out about the visit? have you sorted it all out now?

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Rhiannon · 04/08/2001 18:45

Thanks for all your comments ladies, we've had a good day today, he's had friends over to play.

Later on a little boy came over (2 weeks younger) that he hadn't met before. There was a lot of circling around each other and moaning about the other one until they finally found some common ground (incidentally a Robot Wars video!. I wonder if it is another 'stage' we're going through.

Anyway thankfully we're all going to Robot Wars on Tuesday (can't wait!). Nana will be in charge of no 2 who is 2 years and 8 months (big bossy boots).

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Copper · 24/08/2001 13:29

How was Robot Wars? How are things in general?

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Rhiannon · 24/08/2001 21:10

Hi Copper, Robot Wars was great but v.expensive and the foam fingers were a fiver and the programmes £7! Of course neither have been touched since we got home.

Just bought a book from Amazon called How to Behave So Your Children Will Too by Sal Savere. I am trying v.hard with him restricting TV, Game Boy and Dreamcast.

He has just learned to ride his bike properly at last so he is very keen on that and also he has joined a local football team so hopefully both these things will tire him out and keep him busy.
Also starting Beavers in a couple of weeks so I don't think he'll have time to be stroppy!

I'll keep reading the book, any revelations, I'll keep you posted.

By the way if anyone's interested there's a Robot Wars feast all weekend on UK Horizon.

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