we have all been 'had' re global warming

[howmuchdidyousay]

To think its the biggest conspiracy theory of all time ?

[lavenderkate]

A friend of mine worked in a very important job (Cant say) said it was.

[FritziGreenEyes]

YABVU
Watch "An Inconvenient Truth"!

[Fivesetsofschoolfees]

I agree, howmuch

[WetAugust]

I did watch 'An inconvenient Truth' complete with the 19 ? convenient inaccuracies it contained to support its claims.

YANB at all U

[howmuchdidyousay]

I thought the inconvenient truth had been challenged in court and the ruling was that every time it is shown in schools etc , there has to be a statement read about its inaccuracies.

[Lauriefairyonthetreeeatscake]

I don't think its a conspiracy theory.

Neither do about 95% of actual scientists.

as far as I know only thickos and right-wing capitalists believe its a conspiracy theory

so which camp do you fall into OP? are you a bit thick or a bit right-wing?

do tell.......

[Fivesetsofschoolfees]

I must be a right-wing capitalist

[policywonk]

I think this thread shows why DECC really needs to engage with public scepticism on this issue. We need a public information campaign. People would be embarrassed to stand up and say 'Smoking and lung cancer? S'a conspiracy innit' - but they say it about climate change, despite the fact that the scientific basis is as strong.

[Lauriefairyonthetreeeatscake]

would never have thought it of you five!

[Fivesetsofschoolfees]

IIRC, Al Gore based his whole thesis while flying around in his private plane to deliver it on 'hockey stick graphs' which have all been discredited.

[policywonk]

massive downer

[Lauriefairyonthetreeeatscake]

That article policywonk linked to is an extension to the map on google maps - if you go on there and put in climate change map it shows you Britain if the sea levels rise a metre, rise five metres, rise ten metres etc.

i looked at it and idly thought "oh look, where we are we're gonna live"

daft bitch that i am...... we were entirely surrounded by water!!!!!

[Lauriefairyonthetreeeatscake]

a cheerful map

[lavenderkate]

There is actually much evidence to show that this is a natural cyclical occurrence.

There is also a significant amount of Tax revenue attached.

[Lauriefairyonthetreeeatscake]

even if 'natural cyclical' we are all doomed my friend

unless you've seen any large cheerful dinosaurs in your back garden?

[stuffitllllama]

Professor Ian Plimer, Australian geologist, author of Heaven and Earth:

"The hypothesis that human activity can create global warming is extraordinary because it is contrary to validated knowledge from solar physics, astronomy, history, archaeology and geology."

and

"I am not skeptical about climate change at all. Climates always change, they always have and they always will.. we are not suddenly in a period where climates change. Climates always change, they've changed much quicker and much greater than anything we measure today."

Also a prominent critic (not surprisingly!) of creationism.

[Fivesetsofschoolfees]

There's an awful lot of money to be made in climate change. Think about who is shouting the loudest.

I certainly believe that anthropogenic climate change is way over-rated. I am not saying there is no human cause, but just that it is wildly over-speculated, and the enormous increases in sea level are very unrealistic.

Unfortunately, science often takes a back seat in this debate, even though it is often made in the name of science.

[Lauriefairyonthetreeeatscake]

"who is shouting the loudest"?

the oil companies, that's who - still making the most money.

all the rest is peanuts.

[Nibbly]

Personaly, I dont think it matters if people think it's a conspiracy or not- the problems with landfill, depleting natural resources , namely oil and gas and overpopulation should make us stop using those resources as fast as we are, and if as a side effect, we stop climate change ( which I don't think is a conspiracy) thats a bonus.

As previously said, we most definately are going to become extinct eventually anyway, and take half the species of the planet with us, then the earth will regenerate with new species- we don't need to save the planet, but we might need to make the planet a better place to live while we are here!

[Iggipepperedfillet]

Yes, YABU. Though I hope you're right and I'm wrong

[lolapoppins]

I also have a firend who works very, very high up in thsese things in the US who says it's all bollocks as well.

[BitOfFun]

I think climate change is happening. I think if we could persuade ants not to burp it would be more effective than cutting our carbon emissions though. It is happening anyway- all this hand-wringing and turning lightbulbs off is just re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.

We're screwed, basically. Ho hum.

[MillyR]

In what sense have we all been had?

I don't know many people, other than scientists, who are really worried about climate change. So we certainly haven't been psychologically 'had'.

Who is making huge amounts of money out of it? In this country lots of science budgets are still being cut. Scientists aren't making money out of it.

As for us being taxed because of it, the Government can always think up a ploy to get taxes out of us. If climate change was about taxation or profits then it is one of the most elaborate and convoluted hoaxes of all time.

I don't see how the threat of climate change is having a major impact on the life of anyone in this country right now. So how have we been had?

[lolapoppins]

The thing is, yes the world will change. And humans may eventually be wiped out. But that's just how it is. One day the sun will expand, and if humans are still alive and kicking on Earth then that will finish us. Everything comes to an end one day, the Earth and the Human race will be no exception.

[paisleyleaf]

I just don't know. But I agree with Nibbly that we need to be aware of resources and what we do with waste etc.
I'm all for supporting local food producers and recycling materials.
But am doubtful and unhappy about how high taxes on things are going to save the planet. How does money fix it?