to be sick of Institutional sexism in the UK (Honours List)

(37 Posts)
TalkinPeace Sat 14-Jun-14 22:36:11

Why does Hilary Mantel have to be identified by her married name?

Why do all of the women, no matter what their achievements have to be identified by their marital status?

There are many more "ms" this year - who are clearly the none of your business brigade

But Why oh Why do the media accept the list in this discriminatory form?
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/319881/Birthday_Honours_2014_List.pdf

libertytrainers Sat 14-Jun-14 22:37:49

why do they get married in the first place then? i'm not married, i am a person with my own name i don't want to take on someone elses

sorted

TalkinPeace Sat 14-Jun-14 22:40:54

how many of the men on the list are married?

should people's marital status be part of their record of achievement?

FyreFly Sat 14-Jun-14 22:41:21

Maybe she wants to be identified by her married name? confused

If I wanted to be identified by my maiden name, I wouldn't take my husbands if I married. If I do marry, I don't know if I'll take his name (depends on the name!) but whichever I choose I'll stay with.

RedLorryYellowLorryToo Sat 14-Jun-14 22:43:12

Maybe they actually want to use the married name? Some people actually do.

Those that don't don't have to.

TalkinPeace Sat 14-Jun-14 22:46:23

I've spoken to Buckingham Palace about this before.

Women are asked their marital status.
Men are not.
If women do not answer they go down as "Ms"

If they use their maiden name for work, their married name is listed as well - no option.

That is out and out sex discrimination.

WorraLiberty Sat 14-Jun-14 22:51:43

I've spoken to Buckingham Palace about this before.

I have no idea why that ^^ made me burst out laughing?! blush

Women will be asked their marital status so they know whether to list them as Miss or Mrs...as you know there is no point in asking men the same question because they will be listed as Mr anyway.

Ms is perfectly acceptable for those who feel it's no-one else's business.

If they have taken their husband's name, regardless of the name they use for work, then why would they have a problem with it being listed as well?

Surely if they had a problem they wouldn't have taken the name in the first place?

kim147 Sat 14-Jun-14 22:51:47

I've never seen that before. Obviously all the men are Mr. (or Lord etc). But why is the marital status important?
Would it matter if it was just First Name Surname? Would the world break down?

kim147 Sat 14-Jun-14 22:52:53

Why not:

Mr
Mr ^1
Mr ^ 2 - to show how many times you've been married.

Sirzy Sat 14-Jun-14 22:59:33

Worra it made me laugh too. And I agree with the rest of your post.

It does appear certain women expect ALL women to want to keep their maiden name and not be reffered to as anything by ms just because that is what they want. Other women are happy to take their partners name and that is their choice to make.

Nocomet Sat 14-Jun-14 23:01:18

They have the choice to be Miss, Mrs or Ms in the list. Or Dr or Professor for that matter. So I don't see a problem.

Many women who use their maiden name at work use their married name socially. They might want both names on such a list. Legally it may actually be necessary, to list all names someone uses on it.

Not sure how they'd deal with the lady who used Mrs Maiden name?

kim147 Sat 14-Jun-14 23:04:17

I think the point is - why bother with the title of Ms, Miss or Mrs? Will it matter if the marital status of the woman is not known?

Hark at her - an OBE, And she's a Ms. as well confused

CoffeeTea103 Sat 14-Jun-14 23:07:06

Bucking ham palace? That made me laugh too! The things people make themselves sick over confused

TalkinPeace Sat 14-Jun-14 23:08:31

Hilary Mantel is listed under her married name ....

I do not care WHAT name people use : but let them just have that name

Jennifer Maureen, Mrs Abbott
Peter James Beardmore

why does Jennifer's marital status get shown, when Peter's does not?
Why is the format of women's names changed depending on their status
FFS
just list their names - the name they want to be listed by
and get rid of all non earned tittles

TalkinPeace Sat 14-Jun-14 23:10:33

Kathleen Burdon School of Dance,
But Kathleen is listed as also being Mrs Baird ....

why?
what has Mr Baird to do with her school of dance?

But none of the men are referred to as Mr xx yy.

They are just referred to as xx yy unless they have a specific title e.g. Dr

Why not treat women the same?

kim147 Sat 14-Jun-14 23:11:54

I understand what you are saying.

Why is the title of women so important?

Because it indicates whether we have an owner.

Hence why it isn't deemed necessary for men.

PhaedraIsMyName Sat 14-Jun-14 23:32:15

Did they include Daniel Day-Lewis' "once dumped a pregnant partner by fax" status?

ballsballsballs Sun 15-Jun-14 00:02:26

YANBU. If a woman is awarded an honour her marital status (or ownership) should be irrelevant.

Littleturkish Sun 15-Jun-14 08:22:48

People need to click the link to see what OP is talking about.

No need for any title unless doc or prof

EdithWeston Sun 15-Jun-14 08:28:04

It surely cannot be that difficult to let those (of both sexes) receiving honours decide for themselves which (if any) style they use.

I seems very strange to me to go for "Edith, Mrs Weston" when that's simply not a current usage.

OnIlkleyMoorBahTwat Sun 15-Jun-14 08:50:14

It's infuriating, and so ingrained. I can't see anything changing in our lifetimes sad.

Some women are on the list with no reference to whether they are married, for example Prof Sarah Cleaveland, which contrasts with Dr Mantel, who is also listed as Mrs McEwan.

But on skimming the list, I can see any women who are not doctors or professors or otherwise titled not listed as Miss Mrs or Ms, whereas there are plenty of untitled men.

I wonder if this unfair treatment of women flouts any EU equality legislation?

TalkinPeace Sun 15-Jun-14 19:15:36

THe only woman I've spotted so far with NO title is the lady from the army in Aldershot

FFS
why can women not choose to just have their name listed

PS
I feel VERY strongly about this because I use my maiden name for work.
DH did not help me through my accountancy exams - he has his own life
if I were to get a gong, his name would be listed.
Why?

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