To have a word with the school about their blatent Apple product advertising?

(33 Posts)
D0oinMeCleanin Sun 09-Mar-14 13:40:42

Dd1 has just shown me her parents week form. I can choose from a variety of groups to participate in with dd1, including a "Workshop showing how ipads can be used to enhance learning at home across the whole curriculum"

Really Just ipad? A Google Nexus cannot do the same thing then? Or a Tesco Hudl? Or any number of more reasonably affordable or superior Android tablets?

Almost every note sent home regarding work they can do on their tablets or giving them permission to bring their tablets into school specifically mentions ipads, not generic tablet computers. I've even had letters telling me that dd1 is allowed to bring her Macbook or ipad to school for the day hmm

If they are shown apps at school, these are sometimes Apple Apps and no Android alternative is mentioned, despite the fact that I have always found a corresponding App in the Play Store after calming down a very upset dd1.

We manage this quite well. We can afford for the children to have their own tech, but I do think that the importance this school place on children having their own tech, Apple branded tech in particular, is starting to go a bit far now and cannot be easy for parents who cannot afford the latest ipad or macbook and might not realise that their is very little an ipad can do that a Hudl cannot.

D0oinMeCleanin Mon 10-Mar-14 08:18:20

HadABadDay, the assumption seems to be that all the children at least have access to a tablet or smart phone at home. The few who do not, or are not allowed to bring them into school are allowed to use the class ipads over breaktimes and on free time.

To be fair, most of them do seem to have their own Apple products. I did not believe dd1 when she told me all of her friends would be taking their iphones to the school disco to take photos, but reluctantly loaned her my smart phone for the evening. She used it to take photos of all of her friends holding their iPhones hmm

ThistledownAndCobweb Sun 09-Mar-14 23:35:24

Apple have developed lots of educational tools and mechanisms like apple configurator to help manage them.
They also have ADE trainers and many LEAs support this.

I looked into lots of different tablet types before I made a choice in school, it just so happened that iPads were the best fit.

At home we have a mixture of android and apple.

Somersaults Sun 09-Mar-14 23:02:19

As far as I know we have no exclusivity deal with Apple and we have a lot of iPads at our school.

afterthought Sun 09-Mar-14 22:34:12

We don't have any ipads in my school. Each department has an android device but I've never used it.

I often tell my children (secondary) about apps / ibooks I have found that might help them. I have no reason to advertise Apple - it is just the tablet I happen to own and consequently stumble upon useful things.

I wonder if the school has got a lot of discount Apple products (I know they do a lot of education stuff) and part of the agreement is exclusivity.

maddy68 Sun 09-Mar-14 22:19:34

Obviously it is marketing but schools have limited funds. Plus it is really difficult managing lots of different forms of device. Much easier to pick one form. In this case apple.
They are ally useful in schools for all sorts of things

Sallyingforth Sun 09-Mar-14 22:10:12

This is the result of clever marketing by Apple. They sell iPads at knock-down prices to schools, so that parents are persuaded to buy them for their kids at the full price. There is a huge profit margin on Apple products - they cost no more to make than equivalent quality Android computers - so they soon get more than their money back.
Parents should stand up to this and refuse to buy unnecessarily expensive products.

CrohnicallyFarting Sun 09-Mar-14 21:32:13

They could teach both- if the school had access to android devices to show them. I presume there is a good (probably financial) reason why they don't. Even if they can get android devices at a cheap rate like apple, it makes sense to buy eg a class set of one kind than half of each. As for telling the android owning children that they could search for something similar, I expect they already know that they could. And adding extra 'if you have an android you could...' would get tiresome very quickly. If they had to add extra bits to cover every possible home scenario so as not to offend anyone, the school would never get any actual teaching done! 'now everyone, when you get home tonight, or tomorrow, or after you've visited your Dad's at the weekend, don't forget to tell, or sign to, your parents, or older brother, or aunt and uncle, or grandma, or foster carer...'

At least the teacher is saying 'if you wanted to...' and not setting an official homework requiring iPad ownership.

If someone didn't have a tablet at all, they could always have a quiet word with the teacher. My old school used to let pupils go in the computer suite at dinner times (this was mid 90s so computer ownership was less common, and very few had Internet access at home). It might be possible for the school to arrange iPad access at lunch or after school.

I suggest that you point out to your daughter just how lucky she is to have iPad access in school, and access to a tablet outside school.

redskyatnight Sun 09-Mar-14 18:33:38

The DC's school is not in an affluent area. Apple sells them products at a very cheap rate - hence the school takes them on it. I have used the first occasion of my DS saying "I want an iPad" to give him a lesson in how marketing works.

HadABadDay2014 Sun 09-Mar-14 18:33:16

What about the children who haven't got any pad at all.

maddy68 Sun 09-Mar-14 18:09:03

We use apple products in school as they invest a lot into educational products. We do use windows too
I don't see the problem to be honest!
They are transferable skills but training on the actual software in use at. The school builds confidence

ThistledownAndCobweb Sun 09-Mar-14 17:48:02

Some teachers do. I have a board where we list apps - the ones we use on iPads in school and the children add equivelant apps for other platforms.

D0oinMeCleanin Sun 09-Mar-14 16:26:57

Surely they could teach both and use the word tablet instead of iPad? When teaching children editing using Apple Apps would it be that hard for the teacher to add "if you have an android tablet you could try searching for movie editing suites" or a quick search on Google for similar Android apps rather than "Here is this brilliant Apple App that is not available on Android if you wanted to you could go home and make a movie on your ipad and add some special effects and bring it into school tomorrow to show everyone" leaving my child and I would imagine many other Android owning children feeling left out, despite the fact that most android tablets have apps that do the exact same thing.

CrohnicallyFarting Sun 09-Mar-14 15:56:16

allergictoironing actually, I'd say it's less exclusive. The school are teaching iPad use as they actually have some iPads in school for pupils to use. Whereas if they taught something on android but only had iPads in school, that would be assuming they had access to android devices outside school.

Somersaults Sun 09-Mar-14 15:36:35

The new curriculum coming in this September definitely includes programming from year one. I know many many schools are already including it. It's a huge push at the moment. ICT has becoming 'computing'

jamdonut Sun 09-Mar-14 15:30:24

confused confused primary schools HAVE to teach programming??? Don't think it's happening in our primary (yet). Though we have acquired some very nice tablets and netbook (type) computers recently. We seem to be moving away from having a ' computer suite' .

My daughter and her friends were all given i-pad Mini's when they started 6th form last September,which will belong to them when they finish their A levels ! envy envy I make do with a Hudl hmm

chips I was just about to say the exact same thing!

Somersaults Sun 09-Mar-14 15:11:55

Spanieleyes is right. Schools have to teach programming. My y1 class can talk knowledgeably about algorithms and debugging. Ok, so they are only doing this at an incredibly basic level using programmable toys at the moment but they are learning. All our ks2 classes use Scratch.

I think iPad is becoming a generic term but think back to the monopoly that Microsoft have had on technology in schools over the last ten to fifteen years. I learnt nothing but windows, ms words, excel in my ICT lessons at school.

Our school have iPads in every classroom. We refer to them as iPads because that's what they are. We talk about doing work on the iPads, and I'm pretty sure if we sent a letter home it would talk about iPads rather than tablets. The apps we use are bought from the Apple store. Just like schools teach that word processing is done on ms word, they now teach skills using apple apps or products. I can see your point but I don't think you will change anything by complaining to the school about it.

chipsandpeas Sun 09-Mar-14 15:01:47

a lot of people as well will say ipad but have a different kind of tablet, same with ipod
seems to be the new generic name kinda like hoover refers to any kind of vaccuum

D0oinMeCleanin Sun 09-Mar-14 14:56:16

I might turn up to the ipad workshop with my Samsung tablet, just to be awkward grin

lottieandmia Sun 09-Mar-14 14:48:54

Our school promotes iPads too. It's because they are used in the school and also because the school has an arrangement where parents can get a discount.

spanieleyes Sun 09-Mar-14 14:36:54

Primary schools HAVE to teach programming! We teach Scratch from year 3 onward.

D0oinMeCleanin Sun 09-Mar-14 14:35:32

MadMum, the school is in a weird place wrt affluence. It sort of straddles one of the poorest areas of town and one of the most expensive.

I would say around 60% of the children come from middle class backgrounds with the rest made up mainly from low income families.

The ipad 2 have been there for years, the ipad Airs just after they became an Academy. We've also just had a letter telling us that dd1 can go to London for 3 days in July. We must pay £255 by June if we want her to go. Clearly whoever is running the school is from the kind of background where finding £255 is something you can do in just less than 3 months.

Llareggub Sun 09-Mar-14 14:21:22

I'm not surprised at the level of tech. My yr2 DS was asked to prepare a PowerPoint presentation and bring it to school on a USB. It irritated me, given that there are many households that won't have access to this kind of stuff.

My reception son uses an iPad at school. He has used other tablets and calls them all iPads. Maybe it is becoming te generic word for a tablet like Hoover for vacuum cleaner?

Madmum24 Sun 09-Mar-14 14:12:25

Regardless as to whether or not YABU or not, i am shocked at the level of tech that is expected for primary aged children! Are you in a particularly affluent area OP? Or is this the norm now? thank God we home school

It really pisses me off, all this Learning How To Use A Specific OS gubbins, when they could buy a load of Raspberry Pis and teach them Scratch and therefore actual programming rather than how to work an Apple product. We seem to be teaching people how to consume technology rather than create it.

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