Claimants to lose DLA even if FALSELY accused of fraud (to think this is HIGHLY unreasonable.)

(128 Posts)
Darkesteyes Wed 23-Oct-13 18:07:04

How can this even be legal. To stop a claimants income just because some bastard has falsely accused them.
In every other instance in this country someone is presumed innocent until proven guilty
Except when it comes to benefits when you are guilty until proven innocent.
But NOW it seems that the innocent are STILL going to be treated like they are guilty. angry

benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/2416-claimants-to-lose-dla-permanently-if-falsely-accused-of-fraud-dwp-decides

Darkesteyes Thu 24-Oct-13 16:47:32

Latara a friend of mine is on DLA and WTC too. Similar boat to you only she has epilepsy. if someone were to maliciously report her there is no way she could afford to go into work and there is no way her employer would wait 8 to 16 weeks and keep the job open while its sorted. Not to mention the obvious situation of her possibly facing homelessness.
Gestapo tactics is a bang on description.

tolittletoolate Thu 24-Oct-13 17:19:18

I had a very interesting conversation with the people in the shop mobility shop yesterday. They have lots of people in there boasting about getting benefits when they have nothing wrong with them at all.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit Thu 24-Oct-13 17:21:35

If you lose DLA while it is being investigated, what happens to your blue badge, carers allowance, bus pass or travel card, taxi vouchers etc etc?

This is horrendous.

IneedAsockamnesty Thu 24-Oct-13 17:23:17

I had a very interesting conversation with the people in the shop mobility shop yesterday. They have lots of people in there boasting about getting benefits when they have nothing wrong with them at all

No they don't.

cariadmawr Thu 24-Oct-13 17:23:52

Saucy jack all I say is go to hell just because someone points something out you know sweet all about personally . Hardly think I'm rumpin personal shit

cariadmawr Thu 24-Oct-13 17:27:25

Thanks. All other mn who took my original point didn't have time last night was dealin with personal shit of a disabled ill husband and struggling to walk .

ParsingFright Thu 24-Oct-13 17:27:40

tolittletoolate you crack me up!

What on earth are all these "lots of people" doing in Shopmobility if they're not there for mobility aids?

Dawndonnaagain Thu 24-Oct-13 17:36:58

tolittle
I don't think it's kind or pleasant to come onto a thread where people are worried and frightened about government changes and go on about people apparently boasting about fiddling benefits. It is frequently pointed out how low according to the dwp fraud figures actually are.
The site, by the way doesn't tend to be alarmist, rather it is factual. However, one wonders what you are doing with membership if you think we're all on the scrounge? Surely if you are disabled yourself or have a family member who is, then you understand how important it is not to spout the propaganda the government are passing to the Daily Fail.

Darkesteyes Thu 24-Oct-13 17:39:39

tolittletolate even if that was true (WHICH IT ISNT) they would hardly be saying that to you being as it involves the livelihood of the ppl who work in that shop.

ParsingFright Thu 24-Oct-13 17:40:56

HopALong, if DLA were stopped, an existing blue badge wouldn't be taken away (at least by my council), but if it came up for renewal it would be hard to get a new one.

Ditto Disabled Person's Railcard.

BTW, both of those are paid for, not free - the blue badge is about a tenner round here, the railcard IIRC upwards of £30.

Carers Allowance I think would be stopped immediately.

Other services, it depends on the service. But DLA is used as convenient passporting benefit, so for example I will lose mine when the distance is changed from 50m to 20m, and will then not be able to renew my railcard.

JakeBullet Thu 24-Oct-13 17:46:15

It is fine folks, toolittle is comforting herself with that old chestnut "well they're all scroungers anyway". She has opened, read and then swallowed all the propoganda .....after all it couldn't happen to her could it?

One accident away from needing these benefits. That's all it sometimes takes for you to need the very benefits you think people are scrounging.

Must be comforting to know the future.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit Thu 24-Oct-13 17:49:53

This is getting beyond a joke (understatement).

What's to stop malicious accusations and how do they expect people to survive? In my area no PIP awards (exfep in cases of terminal illness) even though they aret accepting applications, because cases are still going through the courts and no one seems sure what that will come to. PIP is just an excuse to reassess everyone and make the criteria stricter. Thiat is just shit.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit Thu 24-Oct-13 17:51:03

Should say no awards are being made.

SaucyJack Thu 24-Oct-13 18:08:53

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kotinka Thu 24-Oct-13 18:28:54

saucy jack the problem is that making a dla claim is very difficult to do and if you are moved onto pip, you face unfair medical examiners.

many people being shunted onto pip have been proclaimed fit fir work, lost their disability benefits, then, because they're so healthy hmm , died from their conditions.

kotinka Thu 24-Oct-13 18:31:39

the dismantling of the dla system is an attack on the part of our society who needs practical help. Another way of gaining revenue without affecting the wealthy.

tolittletoolate Thu 24-Oct-13 18:52:31

I didn't mean it like that. What I actually meant was there are still some people getting dla/esa that don't need it. Then there are other genuine people who somehow don't qualify for anything despite being ill and disabled. I am disabled myself and after the hell of claiming dla which has dragged on for more than a year it annoys me that still there are people able to play the system.

As has already been pointed out, tolittle, the rate for incorrect claims is 0.7%. Not all of that figure is fraud, some of it is cock-ups involving innocent people. That's substantially less than 1 in 100 claimants so don't let that tiny minority upset you.

exmrs Thu 24-Oct-13 19:49:36

For people who think what's the big deal they just claim pip it can take months or longer to sort,
my mum was on old incapacity benefit and when moved onto esa they put her on work activity group even though she very Ill and had dr s and consultants letters to back her being in support group, she was actually in hospital having an operation when she had to fill form in which I did on her behalf and they said she was able to go to work in 3 months time despite having a major operation.
. It has taken 2 years to get the tribunal heard and for a year she had no income at all as after 12 months esa work group contributions based your money stops , 2 years even though there were obvious mistakes made by dwp and has finally been placed in the support group. 2 years my mum has worried and gone through hell.

exmrs Thu 24-Oct-13 20:12:24

Forgot to add and this will be true for pip as well as esa, as my mum wasn't physically able to have a medical as she was in hospital a dwp person made a judgement ignoring dr letters but obviously thought they were more qualified to make a judgement about how well my mum was which has caused 2 years of hell.
Its unbelievable someone with no medical experience holds someone's life in their hands

Dawndonnaagain Thu 24-Oct-13 20:56:30

Apologies tolittle.

tolittletoolate Thu 24-Oct-13 21:31:49

I apologise, what I wrote came out all wrong.

Dawndonnaagain Thu 24-Oct-13 22:03:55

Happens to the best of us, tolittle No worries.
x

Darkesteyes Thu 24-Oct-13 22:23:49

No worries tolittle Its an emotive subject

IneedAsockamnesty Thu 24-Oct-13 23:10:00

kotinka

You have a very valid point but what the flying fuck are you doing calling admin staff with no medical training whatsoever medical examiners?

They are nothing more than basic admin staff filling out a tick box list and ATOS openly admit that.

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