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To agree with the Headmistress to send home pupils who do not conform to regulation school uniform.

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annemary12 Sat 07-Sep-13 21:13:23

I am totally fed up with school pupils who look a mess and are not dressed in correct or regulation school uniform. I never understand why many schools allow 6th form pupils free will in their choice of clothes.

I think that if pupils are unable to abide by school uniform regulations what hope of they got when they leave school and are going to interviews.

I believe that all school pupils including 6th form pupils should wear a regulation school blazer and school tie so they can show which school they go to.

Headmistress like Leslie ellis are standing up for standards that have been in decline since the 1970"s and need to be fully supported in their desire to hold standards to at least the very shoddy standards that pupils display today. I for one am delighted that a head was prepared to take ridicule and derision in standing up for standards.

After reading the constant criticism of leslie ellis i thought it was time that someone stood up for a upstanding member of the teaching profession.

CoffeeTea103 Sat 07-Sep-13 21:20:58

I agree with this. It's shocking to see how kids go to school these days. If they can't conform to these rules, what will they do in the workplace. And it doesn't help with the parents supporting them with saying how does it affect their school work. It does !

Bowlersarm Sat 07-Sep-13 21:22:27

I agree too.

There will be plenty along who don't though.

AgentZigzag Sat 07-Sep-13 21:25:28

At the risk of being drawn in grin I wouldn't say her choice, out of the 1000's of solutions she had the pick of, to send so many children home indicates she's an upstanding member of the teaching profession.

Sounds out of her depth to me.

Overly dramatic and attention seeking.

She should be running the school, not creating havoc with something that could have been done smoothly with the minimum of fuss.

I don't mind school uniforms and think the DC should look smart, but not at the expense of everything else.

And I don't like the standards they had in the 1970's, especially the one's which saw me getting slapped and hit with implements by the teacher in front of the class.

Lancelottie Sat 07-Sep-13 21:27:40

Well, you might have a teeny and boring point when it comes to those who won't abide by school uniform, but why are you getting your teeth into those who can't?

Those who can't would include:
Anyone the wrong shape for the school's daft choice of skirt/trousers
Anyone who can't afford it
Anyone sensitive to the fabric

Why pick on them?

<wilfully misunderstands thread>

SirChenjin Sat 07-Sep-13 21:28:13

I completely agree.

Our school has clamped down on uniform recently, but only to a point. It frustrates me hugely that I spend a fortune on the requisite black leather shoes for example, while other pupils pitch up wearing canvas pumps or leggings instead of trousers. As far as I'm concerned, the school uniform rules are flouted too often - good for that Head for sending the pupils home.

freemanbatch Sat 07-Sep-13 21:28:21

I agree with uniform and think all children should look neat and tidy when they go to school but I don't agree with girls having to dress like boys to get an education.

Ties and blazers are professional attire for men but they should not be required from girls. A smart blouse and female suit jacket with school logo should be available so girls are equally taught how to dress appropriately for a career.

LegoDragon Sat 07-Sep-13 21:28:41

I thought in that case, it was a problem over supply issues so a lot of the students physically couldn't have the uniform? In that case, she was wrong as you can't punish chikdren for something they can't get.

Otherwise: I agree, they should face something. But stopping them learning won't help, surely? Detention and missed lunch and so on might be better, at least they have a chance to learn something- even if they don't want to.

I disagree about sixth formers though. As they are near adults, soon going to work and university interviews, it would be beneficial for them to wear smart casual clothes or suits- work clothes. As well as making them feel more adult like, it means they get an understanding of appropriate clothing for work or interviews. I've had a shocking number of interviews with people coming in wearing work innapropriate clothing though, so I'm biased!

HeySoulSister Sat 07-Sep-13 21:29:41

How can you be 'totally fed up'? They have been back a week, if that. Maybe you need to work on lowering your stress levels, your blood pressure must be sky high!

Lancelottie Sat 07-Sep-13 21:29:57

Why stop at a tie? Why not a sash, a burka, a pair of garters, a really silly hat?

AgentZigzag Sat 07-Sep-13 21:30:28

Loads of schools change their uniform all the time, I've never heard the like of the drama this head has generated.

She must have thought up this strategy for the planned change over all by herself, because I just can't imagine anyone else advising her it was a great idea and nothing could possibly go wrong.

And her thinking thinking it's going according to her plan and isn't even slightly pear shaped would be even more worrying.

Lancelottie Sat 07-Sep-13 21:31:01

Why the hell should they miss lunch for being unable to wear something that wasn't available to them?

Really great way to earn your students' respect.

primroseyellow Sat 07-Sep-13 21:32:18

'I think that if pupils are unable to abide by school uniform regulations what hope of they got when they leave school and are going to interviews.'
LOL at your inability to write correct English which is rather more important than correct uniform!
Do you even recognise your error?

AgentZigzag Sat 07-Sep-13 21:33:00

'Totally fed up' here means 'judgy as fuck' grin

I'm the same though when I see trainers with the uniform.

Lancelottie Sat 07-Sep-13 21:33:21

I sat on my hands rather over that one, Primrose...

lagertops Sat 07-Sep-13 21:33:41

My opinion is that school attire, if you must enforce it, should be general, i.e no tie or blazers, but white shirts and black trousers and skirts. I can't think of any work-place that enforces women to wear ties, so that's pretty redundant.
I think skirts should be a reasonable length, shoes should be sensible and hard-wearing.
Some of the stuff my peers were wearing not too long ago were ridiculous- bum skimming skirts, hoodies with tacky logos not associated with the school, and out of place white trainers. I think those who want to dye their hair funky colours, accessorise or have piercings shouldn't get into trouble if dressed smartly otherwise and aren't trouble-makers.

What is your opinion on University dress codes, as many don't have one? Assuming the student is intelligent and does want a good career at the end of it, do you still feel 'what hope of they got when they leave school and are going to interviews' just because they are wearing jeans? I think that someone with a lack of common sense and decides to not dress smartly to a job interview probably didn't have much chance of getting the job anyway.

twistyfeet Sat 07-Sep-13 21:35:58

how does the incorrect uniform stop them learning? confused
we had a temporary head send me a letter about dd not wearing shoes once. dd is in a wheelchair and has feet so badly deformed its impossible. Daft bint.

claraschu Sat 07-Sep-13 21:36:33

Interesting how people in Germany, Holland, ad the US seem to manage to get jobs even though they go to school in jeans, t-shirts and sneakers.

Why are British people SO obsessed with uniforms?

Icedink Sat 07-Sep-13 21:37:45

I thought that the pupils didn't have uniform because they were out of stock? You make some good points and I agree that schoolchildren should stick to rules on uniform but imo this headmistress is power crazy and way ott punishing children for things beyond their control.

Lancelottie Sat 07-Sep-13 21:39:00

Our schools, while not perfect, have it about right:
'No underwear to be on show at any time except when changing'.

Covers belt-shaped skirts, low-slung trousers, see-through blouses with black bras...

DuelingFanjo Sat 07-Sep-13 21:40:40

I think some of the uniform rules are a bit suspect.

lisad123everybodydancenow Sat 07-Sep-13 21:40:58

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

LegoDragon Sat 07-Sep-13 21:42:52

clara I come from the US and my dd1 went to school in the UK until we moved recently to a country without uniform. I don't see the point in uniform, but I think if there IS a uniform, it should be enforced ifyswim? Better none, though.

deakymom Sat 07-Sep-13 21:43:33

personally i find school uniform excessively expensive we just had a bit of a financial shortfall and the upshot is i cant afford over thirty quid for a pair of school shoes for my son (this week)so he has gone in black trainers i cant afford the school logo t-shirt so he will go in plain same as the jumper he is clean and tidy but im not paying an extra thirty pounds for logos on his uniform! when i went to first school no one had school uniform on the area was a poor one and no one could afford it so the rule was no jeans girls wear dresses boys wear trousers look as neat as you can the rest is up to you we had PE in vest and knickers (no pumps no one had them) and outdoor PE was never done we were educated as best as they could manage but uniform had to be removed as an issue because it is just too expensive

so i guess what im saying is education should be this issue not clothing if had my way i wouldn't bother with the uniform just a general dress code and blazers bother me as they wont allow children to wear coats over them even in the pouring rain and the freezing cold

kim147 Sat 07-Sep-13 21:43:57

Obsessed is the word. Other countries seem to get by and focus on the actual education.

How do Holland, France and Germany do it?

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