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Am I being unreasonable to suggest that scooters should be banned on pavements?

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Morgause Sat 07-Sep-13 14:36:06

An hour ago I went up the lane to pay the papers. The pavement isn't particularly wide but not very narrow either. A little girl aged 3 -4 scooted past me quite quickly which made me jump a bit as I hadn't heard her coming. I looked round to see her mother with a buggy quite a way back down the lane. She shouted the little girl's name and told her to wait.

I walked past her and into the shop round the corner and paid the bill. As I came back around the corner the mother had caught up with the little girl and she had begun to scoot on again. Unfortunately she scooted straight into an elderly lady just leaving her gate and they both went flying. I called an ambulance and other neighbours came out to see what could be done to help. It looks like the little girl has broken her arm and the old lady may have broken her hip or her leg - maybe both.

The ambulance man said that scooters are a "bloody nuisance" and if kids aren't falling off them they are ploughing into people on them. He thinks they should be banned anywhere but gardens and parks. The local bobby, also present, agreed.

I think the same after what I saw today. M (the old lady) is the sole carer for her elderly husband who is very disabled following a stroke. Goodness knows what will happen to him now. A neighbour is with him for now and is hoping to contact someone from social services for some emergency care.

JerseySpud Sat 07-Sep-13 14:38:26

I'm on the fence with this.

Scooters can be a pain in the ass, but in this situation the child shouldn't have been going on so far ahead and out of sight.

Also and age 3-4 they aren't old enough to be watching out for other people.

GlobalWarning Sat 07-Sep-13 14:39:34

Grown ups cycling on pavements are far more dangerous. Yabu but parents need to step in. My children are very responsible on scooters and get off and walk passed people rather than scoot. Your example is an extreme of an accident and doesn't happen daily. Should we stop using cars given that they kill people?

DTisMYdoctor Sat 07-Sep-13 14:46:14

What a shame for the lady who was injured, but I think YABU. The same outcome could have come from a child (or adult) running down the street.

DS is pretty considerate on his scooter, but at age 3-4 I wouldn't have let him go that far ahead. We've really drummed it into him to watch out for people coming out of gates/driveways etc for safety reasons.

DrinkFromMyFountain Sat 07-Sep-13 14:48:26

YANBU. If kids want to scoot they can scoot in the bloody park

Morgause Sat 07-Sep-13 14:53:32

Global it's already illegal to cycle on pavements. The child wasn't out of sight, she'd just begun to scoot after waiting for her mum who was 5 feet away at most. She was so small the M just didn't see her behind the fence as she came out of her gate. If she'd been walking or running I don't think there would have been the injuries there seem to have been.

We don't expect anything to be moving at more than walking pace on the pavements, which are made for walking on. Cars go along the roads, so we expect them to go faster. Not the same at all.

DH was wondering if M could sue the mother.

TempusFuckit Sat 07-Sep-13 14:53:48

I'll be interested to see how this thread goes as DS has just started scooting. There was a thread about an old lady in the park who told a mum of scooting kids she was intending on pushing any kids who scooted close to her into the road with her stick, and I was a bit shocked at how many people said good on her.

On the other hand, scooting seems to be being promoted as a Good Thing - Micro scooters use scooting the school run it as a healthy selling point and even the NHS Change4Life ad featured it.

TidyDancer England Sat 07-Sep-13 14:57:04

I agree. I never let the DCs scoot on the pavement. They go to the park, or PIL's drive (it's a big space).

How did the mother react?

Yes, let's suggest the scooters use the roads with the cars hmm

Consideration and respect is what is needed from all pavement users rather than blanket banning of groups

TempusFuckit Sat 07-Sep-13 14:57:13

GlobalWarming - "should we stop using cars as they kill people?"

I'm not actually suggesting we should ban them, but it does sadden me that car-related fatalities are seen as such a reasonable price to pay for the convenience of private car culture.

HoneyDragon Sat 07-Sep-13 14:57:13

I'm another one who I insists they scoot beside me, and get off and push with approaching people.

If its in a play area or wide open space than I let them go ahead.

However, I read the riot act to 5 boys bombing down the height street on bikes and scooters just expecting people to jump out the way. And then when the women who were in theory supervising them rolled up to say I had no right to discipline their children I bollocked them too.

grin

pomdereplay Sat 07-Sep-13 14:57:44

What Drink said. They're dangerous and even the most attentive parent will find it hard to keep up with a child whizzing ahead.

Worst is parents who let their kids scoot around shopping centres on incredibly busy Saturdays...

Tempus wow! People approved of an adult threatening to push small children into the road!!!! shock

WaitMonkey Sat 07-Sep-13 15:02:11

YANBU.

TempusFuckit Sat 07-Sep-13 15:05:21

MrTumble - yes, it was one of those baying for blood threads. OP was accused of all sorts for having not prostrated herself in abject apology. Weird.

GlobalWarning Sat 07-Sep-13 15:08:55

My point is that cycling may be illegal on pavements, doesn't stop grown ups doing it. I don't think you will ever get kids to stop scooting on pavements

Tempus The Mad MumsNet that emerges occasionally then. But still - that's extreme even for MMN!

Morgause Sat 07-Sep-13 15:13:16

TidyDancer the mum was just stunned to start with, I think. I didn't realise the lg was badly hurt because she stood up quickly and cried, as you'd expect. M was on the floor so it was her I went to.

After the ambulance arrived one of the medics checked out the lg and that's when he said he thought her arm might be broken. Mum burst into tears then, I think the shock was wearing off. She didn't say she was sorry but, naturally, was comforting her daughter so didn't say much at all to anyone else. She phoned her husband to come and take them to hospital because M was going to be needing the ambulance. The PC had suggested she get a taxi to hospital, rather than wait for a non-emergency ambulance.

scaevola Sat 07-Sep-13 15:14:20

I think we are too talerant of what is actually very dangerous for both the scooting child and other pavement users.

If scooting is necessary for transport reasons, it should be right next to the responsible adult (tall enough to be seen, as that poor child wasn't) and travelling at normal walking pace. If it is for recreation, then it should be in a park.

And cyclists shouldn't be on pavements either. Just because it's hard to stop it from happening, doesn't make it OK for even more fast, wheeled hazards to be there as well.

Tempus, you are ever so slightly misrepresenting the OP of that thread grin

Morgause where we live (Germany) the culture is less litigous than in the uk (no win no fee doesn't exist) but most household insurance policies pay out if a child injures somebody or damages property. Some states exist on add on insurance for pets to cover the same thing. That would make more.sense than a ban which has down side of encouraging car use or older children scooting in the road!

solarbright Sat 07-Sep-13 15:15:41

My DC love to scoot. And YANBU, they should be banned from pavements. They are a bloody nuisance and I've yet to see a parent (myself included) in absolute and total control of a 5-year-old on a scooter. They inevitably scoot ahead, and they inevitably don't look where they're going. Mine are allowed to scoot in the park, where frankly I expect that even old ladies with sticks should be expecting things to move at faster than walking pace.

TempusFuckit Sat 07-Sep-13 15:17:51

Am I? That's how I remember it. Happy to be proved wrong though smile

solarbright Sat 07-Sep-13 15:18:25

I think Tempus summed up that thread pretty well!

HeySoulSister Sat 07-Sep-13 15:19:14

they are a total pain.....parents on the schoolrun are the worst for it. once they are in sight of the school gates its a free for all....and even if kids DO get off and walk with the scooter...they tend to let them drag all over peoples feet and hook onto clothing

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