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I just can't decide who I should support in this case.

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Mixxy Mon 24-Jun-13 00:59:53

MESSAGE FROM MNHQ - WE HAVE BEEN ASKED WARN YOU THAT THIS LINK CONTAINS GRAPHIC SEXUAL REFERENCES.

Does she have a point?

www.ravenews.ca/en/read/2013/march/28/

Being paid to do a job doesn't necessarily mean that you have to carry it out indiscriminately. It depends both on the seriousness of the objection and the degree of discrimination that the client experiences. So religious B&B owner refuses to let to gay couple is unlawful because the owners' objections are unreasonable. A club offering only one toilet, which happened to be a human toilet (!) and which did not cater for menstruating women would be unlawful (on the part of the club) because any menstruating women would be very disadvantaged. A religious surgeon doesn't have to carry out terminations as their objections are (considered) reasonable.
However, in this particular case it is not unlawful because the 'toilet's' objections are reasonable, not because of kosher but simply because the act of swallowing someone's urine (ick) must be wholeheartedly consented to otherwise it becomes assault. Nobody can be contracted to be assaulted against their will. Furthermore, the client wasn't disadvantaged because there were other toilets she could use.

Steben Tue 25-Jun-13 08:10:56

There really are no words. I must have led a very sheltered life.

Ellellie Tue 25-Jun-13 08:15:09

Dafaq hmm

Mixxy Tue 25-Jun-13 08:16:59

But swallowing the urine is his job. Just because you and I are replused by it, doesn't mean its not his job and he was not forced to do it. I'm unsure of Canadian law regarding service employees. While I feel that the woman was discriminated against, I now think that the toilets right to avoid assault or exploitation trumps her. I do feel the religious reason is bullshit as he is not applying the Kosher Laws across the board, I see that the need to avoid exploitation trumps discrimination. I suggest that qomen wear stars on their sleeves if they wish to use the Kosher toilet.

differentnameforthis Tue 25-Jun-13 08:56:43

He refused service based on his religious beliefs

A religious doctor refused to refer me for a termination, all in the nicest possible way. I didn't kick up a fuss, even though it meant I had to make another appointment, because I respected her religious beliefs.

It's about respecting people's boundaries. If a woman is a prostitute & she refuses to do anal/s&m, is that discrimination against her 'customer'. No of course it isn't, because it is her right to choose what she does with her body, regardless of what else she chooses to do with it.

passmetheprozac Tue 25-Jun-13 09:01:50

I am with the guy on this. He had every right to say no, regardless of the fact he was employed to do this. The club owner is on his side so I am assuming that in his contract is a clause to say no, the guy likes people pissing on his face and he is employed to have people piss on his face. He in my opinion is allowed to draw the line at menstruating women.

When I am on my period, the river runs red iyswim?

It is a sexual act, and he has every right to say no. In this scenario if she had ignored him, would it have been some kind of assault?

This is quite interesting.

CheerfulYank Tue 25-Jun-13 09:05:55

I...I just...I...hmm.

<clutches pearls>

But I'm on his side. Such as it is. <boak>

crashdoll Tue 25-Jun-13 09:21:00

I can feel my breakfast trying to make another appearance. sad

DioneTheDiabolist Tue 25-Jun-13 09:48:14

If I were the boss of the club, I would tell my toilets and other staff that No, is a full sentence and that they should not give the customer any reason when they refuse.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Tue 25-Jun-13 09:53:53

Just lol at "Kosher toilet"

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