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to think is just pants that dc's school do not have a bin for lunchbox detritus at lunchtime?

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TheCowCalledMeg Mon 29-Apr-13 17:15:04

Umm is this normal? There are bins for school dinners children but if you have something you want to bin it must stay in your lunch box- it does't matter what it is.

I say this after having:

A) been pissed all over by ds's juice box (why even bother putting the straw in it really?)
b)spent the last ten minutes clearing what appears to be the full contents of a yogurt out of every crevice of DD's lunch box.
c)gagged on the roasted garlic honky smell of very warm Hoormoose that the lid of ds's lunchbox lid was welded together with.... (I didn't have a diamond tipped angle grinder so it was hard that bit)

I was hoping to post this in the "I know I am right please everyone agree with me" topic but that appears to have been moved...meh...

flipchart Wed 01-May-13 09:03:48

It's nothing new. Some of my kids have left High School now so it's years since they were at primary and they did this then.

Not a big deal. you can see what the kids have ate or left behind, chuck waste in your bin and clean the container.

What's the problem?

AbyCat Wed 01-May-13 08:59:50

Our school had a dinner nazi nun who inspected all the lunchboxes as the pupils went to leave the dining room. Any rubbish could then go in the bin next to her, but she was pretty anal about making kids go back to eat their crusts or apples and would stay with them til they did!

lljkk Wed 01-May-13 08:45:40

Some parents resent pressure about what and how much to eat, other parents have a rage if their child didn't eat enough. Staff would be better off not being involved at all.

LaQueen Tue 30-Apr-13 12:12:40

Yes, I hate this too.

The DDs lunch-boxes, often really honk, especially in warm months when they've had something cheesy, or a Frube has leaked, or a banana skin has oozed...it's vile.

And, as other have said, I don't actually really care what they've eaten at lunch. It's up to them, whether they eat their packed lunch, or not. I only ever see lunch-box grub, as snacking/picnic food, anyway.

They have a good breakfast - and they get a snack, followed by a good dinner when they get home, anyway.

GoblinGranny Tue 30-Apr-13 12:04:32

So would you all prefer that we went back to the old days of your child choosing whether or not to eat their lunch, and no communication about it as it isn't part of a teacher's responsibilities? Along with parental decisions about what to put into lunchboxes being theirs alone?
LTS could be specifically to assist reception or those with additional needs, and crowd control.
Complain to the LEA and the government and get all the daft hoops, rules and certificates chucked out.

Vagndidit Tue 30-Apr-13 12:03:35

I do get annoyed when DS's lunchbox comes home with its entire contents coated on yoghurt but I appreciate the act that I can keep tabs on what he is or isn't eating for lunch.

To be fair, if the less really bothered me that much I'd make more of an effort not to pack messy food.

Agree wiggles eating all of the lunch is seen as an achievement as they get given a sticker. And if my dd leaves anything she always apologises. I dont like how shes made so aware of what she has or hasnt eatenat 6,thats how issues are made. want my children to eat what they want to eat. And to stop when they are full. They r not in trouble should they leave their lunch, sometimes people just don't feel like eating. They are hungry after school regardless of whether lunch was eaten or not. Dinner has already been planned and is not based on how much lunch they have eaten.

GoblinGranny Tue 30-Apr-13 11:39:47

You could use the evidence to give your children food they will eat.
You could put a plastic bag in the box for the rubbish.
You could get your child to empty their lunchbox and wash it out at home.
Leave the yoghurt out if they can't manage it neatly.

Jewelledsky is making a lot of sense, you may well be able to check a child's yoghurt or banana skin to see if it is empty or only partly-eaten, but you are only dealing with a few children. Over a hundred in a shift system when many reception still need physical assistance and verbal encouragement is unmanageable.

Goldmandra Tue 30-Apr-13 11:33:27

I think over policing of meals and what kids have eaten in general adds to a food anxiety in general which kids pick up on and in turn makes them afraid to not eat everything on their plate or to start hiding food, lying about what they've eaten.

Quite possibly.

I use the information to monitor my DD's anxiety levels (she doesn't even attempt to eat when she's too anxious and her old school would never have told me she hadn't eaten) and so I know whether I'm including things she doesn't like. She puts it all in the bin herself at home anyway as it's her job to clear out her lunchbox but she will ask me if she should leave things in for the next day if they are untouched.

wigglesrock Tue 30-Apr-13 11:26:50

Yes, but most children aren't going to fade away if they miss their lunch, and I think over policing of meals and what kids have eaten in general adds to a food anxiety in general which kids pick up on and in turn makes them afraid to not eat everything on their plate or to start hiding food, lying about what they've eaten.

aldiwhore Tue 30-Apr-13 11:25:44

Not sure how healthy Frubes are, but they create less mess and I don't lose so many spoons.

Goldmandra Tue 30-Apr-13 11:20:22

As a childminder I always send the uneaten elements of children's lunches home because I want the parents to know what their child has/hasn't eaten. It's not because I don't want their rubbish in my bin, although I do understand the cost implications for schools.

It is clearly cheaper for schools to send lunchbox rubbish home for disposal but perhaps they also feel it is helpful for parents to see what their child has eaten. There isn't a realistic way to achieve this for children who have hot meals so they just accept that it isn't possible but, when it is so easy to achieve for those on packed lunches, it makes perfect sense to do so.

Jestrin Tue 30-Apr-13 09:59:31

YABU

1. The school has to pay to have refuse collected.
2. You can see what your child has eaten

My DD has one of those padded bag lunch boxes. I have always washed them in my washing machine. They don't fall apart!

Trouble is you don't actually know they ate it. Or whether the yogurt burst before lunch soaked their sarnie and that's y they didn't eat it. Oy now mummy puts less in cos she assumes its too much food as it was left. It's hard to gauge how much of anything was eaten when the yogurt is everywhere or the sarnie in a billion crumbs from banging around in a lunch box all day. Maybe they sneaked it all at break time or swapped with a friend or dropped it etc. if your children can't tell you if they ate it or not then tbh your still none the wiser with a pile of drink and yogurt mush left.

Wigglesrock, that's great that your DC are so honest with you and you don't mind if they waste their packed lunch, but there are many DC who don't have such a relationship and will throw away food secretly. There are also many parents who do want to know what their DC has eaten.

The school can't know what each DC is likely to do or each individual patent's preference. There has to be be rule for everyone so surely it's better that those parents who are bothered about what their DC eat and maybe can't afford lots of waste, get to see what their DC do and do not eat?

Fakebook Tue 30-Apr-13 08:54:33

I hate this but it's good I know what dd is eating and what she likes and dislikes. I don't give her yoghurt anymore for lunch. She gets enough calcium from cheese and milk and home. I still have to clear up leaky cucumber and olive juices mixed with grated cheese and cake crumbs though.

Saski Tue 30-Apr-13 08:39:47

My kids aren't even allowed to pack lunches, how weird, I thought this was an English thing. Hm. What is their school up to? I'd much prefer to pack them.

wigglesrock Tue 30-Apr-13 08:34:25

In my dds primary school, everyone eats their lunch at tables, then a box or bag is passed round each table to put the rubbish in, so no-one is running around the dinner hall at bins.

If my kids don't eat their lunch, they don't eat their lunch, they tell me they didn't eat it, I don't need to see it.

stargirl1701 Tue 30-Apr-13 08:16:31

YABU. Children need to take it home so parents know what has been eaten.

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 30-Apr-13 08:13:18

Wouldn't bother me at all, op!

MissAnnersley Tue 30-Apr-13 07:40:02

It's not unhygienic at all. It's just food waste and packets.

It has been explained why it's necessary more than once on this thread.

Why mention handbags? Children are not being asked to put food waste in their pockets or school bags but back in the box or bag it came in.

lljkk Tue 30-Apr-13 07:39:59

Do the overwhelming majority of the children really have a packet of crisps every day?

Yes, or something similar like Skips/Cheddars/little rice cakes. One of mine (packaged food junkie) has crisps all school days. I think there was a formal survey published about this,not just speaking from my experience (MSA).
Empty crisp bags don't turn into much rubbish by volume, can't do. Sandwich crusts comprise the bulk of pack lunch rubbish,I reckon. Huge amount of waste.
Reception DS noticed that others don't eat crusts at school lunch so he doesn't want to, either (argh). I very thinly cut the crust off for his packed lunch (obsessive, I know, but I hate the waste). And then he eats every bite. Most kids leave so much crust you'd think it was a toxic layer.

MidniteScribbler Tue 30-Apr-13 03:48:35

Our school is now a rubbish free school. I was against it at first, but now I love it. Parents must send food ready to eat in reusable containers, no more rubbish at all. Want to send yoghurt? Then put it in a container. Crisps need to be taken out of their packet and put in a container.

Most of the kids use the nude food boxes which have divided sections and a variety of fruit and vegetable containers as well. It also means no more parents complaining because their child threw out their best piece of tupperware, and no more smelly food waste in the bins, which means less rodents (we don't have school lunches here). It's also making the kids think about rubbish more and we tied it in with a big recycling campaign. The kids even bring their own containers now on our weekly tuckshop day so that they're not getting their food in plastic wrap or paper. It's great seeing them lined up with their little plates or containers waiting to buy their lunch.

And NotKathyReichs, the same rules apply for teachers here too. We can't expect the children to follow it if we aren't prepared to do so as well.

NotKathyReichs Mon 29-Apr-13 22:38:50

It bothers me as its unhygenic, unneseccary and is a money saving stratergy thats claimed to be for the children.

Not noticed any of the teachers walking around with day old banana peels in their handbags...
Theyre allowed bins hmm confused

ChasingSquirrels Mon 29-Apr-13 22:35:54

1 plastic lunch box (80's style)
1 plastic Tupperware box in lunch box

Sandwich in Tupperware
Yoghurt (frozen when purchased and put into lunch box from freezer)
Cereal bar, or sometimes cake, or a couple of fig rolls, or a kitkat
Piece of fruit

DC's know to put all rubbish in the Tupperware box.
DC's have to empty said rubbish in the bin - composting as appropriate when they get home.
I usually wash out boxes, but sometimes ask dc1 (10) to

They started off v v messy, but since they have to sort own boxes when they get home they quickly got less messy

Insulated lunch packs are minging, all those creases for bits to get stuck in, yuck

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