To be shocked and appalled by this book

(152 Posts)
becsparkel Sat 16-Mar-13 23:45:52

I realise this has probably been raised before but I have only just become aware of this parenting book vile piece of shite, currently available for sale on amazon. The book advocates whipping babies as young as 4 months to "train" them to obey:

"At four months she was too unknowing to be punished for disobedience. But for her own good, we attempted to train her not to climb the stairs by coordinating the voice command of "No" with little spats on the bare legs. The switch was a twelve-inch long, one-eighth-inch diameter sprig from a willow tree."

Many more sickening quotes on this anti site Why Not To Train A Child

There's a petition to stop Amazon from selling it here: amazon refuse to carry books which advocate the physical abuse of children

Great blog piece here: amazon we find child abuse offensive

WestieMamma Sun 17-Mar-13 16:17:04

I've not seen it before. I think that anyone who publishes a book in which they admit using a switch on the bare legs of a 4 month old should be in jail for a very, very long time.

IneedAgoldenNickname Sun 17-Mar-13 16:19:57

Sounds like a horrendous book which should not be on sale sad, but surely 4 month old babies don't try and climb the stairs?

zwischenzug Sun 17-Mar-13 16:20:44

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

gordyslovesheep Sun 17-Mar-13 16:20:50

where is it on Amazon?

gordyslovesheep Sun 17-Mar-13 16:21:49

oh and really 'mental patient' people with mental health problems can and do parent brilliantly - how ignorant is that comment

FripperiesAndBollocks Sun 17-Mar-13 16:26:06
FripperiesAndBollocks Sun 17-Mar-13 16:26:40

I agree about the mental comment, zwischenzug, that was horrible.

HollyBerryBush Sun 17-Mar-13 16:26:58

I did wonder if it was a Victorian reprint - but I see (thanks google) it is written by one of those hell fire southern fundamentalist evangalists in memphis.

It's not going to take off is it?

becsparkel Sun 17-Mar-13 16:27:25

It's here gordy Amazon

It's bloody horrendous and has been linked to 3 child deaths in the US.

HollyBerryBush Sun 17-Mar-13 16:28:08

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Pearl

mad as your grandads trouser ....

EricNorthmansFangBanger Sun 17-Mar-13 16:28:17

zwischenzug - Really? hmm

IneedAgoldenNickname Sun 17-Mar-13 16:28:32

Gosh, I just read some if the quotes, they recommend using a tree branch to hit a child! Surely it's not real sad

AmandinePoulain Sun 17-Mar-13 16:29:04

I've signed. Do Amazon not check what they are selling at all?! shock

The thought of anyone using a stick to stop my 7mo doing something makes me feel physically sick. And read the 5 star reviews at the bottom shockangry

I had heard of this book, but I thought it was a pamphlet type thing, not available on amazon!

That's awful.

Have amazon said why they won't remove it?

SixFeetUnder Sun 17-Mar-13 16:29:10

I've seen it on there before, sadly. I haven't bought anything from Amazon for two years due to the fact they have no morals about what they sell and if you complain they will feed you some such line like they only make it available to the public and they don't censor.
They also had a book for sale a couple of years ago which was a how to guide on being a paedophile and only removed that after a huge online petition. The How To Train book was for sale at that time, I doubt they will rush to remove it.

becsparkel Sun 17-Mar-13 16:32:54

It's been around for a few years now and has sold over 670,000 copies... here's hoping someone had a massive bonfire somewhere!

thebody Sun 17-Mar-13 16:32:57

How vile.

zwischenzug Sun 17-Mar-13 16:34:38

Ok ok, sorry I removed the previous post it was badly worded. What I was getting at is that the quotes from the book read as if they were written by somebody with severe mental health issues that obviously were not being dealt with.

IneedAsockamnesty Sun 17-Mar-13 16:55:08

A 12-inch piece of weed eater chord works well as a beginner rod. It will fit in your purse or pocket.
Later, a plumber’s supply line is a good spanking tool. You can get it at Wal-Mart or any hardware store. Ask for a plastic, ¼ inch, supply line. They come in different lengths and several colors; so you can have a designer rod to your own taste. They sell for less than $1.00.

^^ these instructions are in that book, the authors need to be locked up.

mrsjay Sun 17-Mar-13 17:04:24

I dont think they whip babies tbh it is a training method used by a fundemental patriarchial christian group, The duggar children are so well behaved because of this method (allegedly) It is barbaric though no way to raise children

WestieMamma Sun 17-Mar-13 17:11:45

I'd like to think that the majority who've bought it did so without knowing the contents.

I bought a book about parenting a strong willed child way back when my, then undiagnosed with AS, daughter was pushing me over the edge. Nobody would help and I was desperate. I never got past the first chapter though as it quickly became apparent that the author went to the same parenting school as this lot. The book went in the bin.

Only a few weeks ago the power of Mumsnet got those horrid t-shirts removed from Amazon.
If someone can tell me how I'd be happy to join in a similar campaign to get rid of this book.

AmandinePoulain Sun 17-Mar-13 17:45:56

Maybe we can all email? And anyone on twitter can tweet it? I've already added the petition to my fb feed.

Schmoozer Sun 17-Mar-13 18:05:42

Is the method that 19 kids and and counting dugguns use sad

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