To judge people who use could of/should of/would of?

(185 Posts)
sneezingwakesthebaby Sat 09-Feb-13 18:59:21

Am I being unreasonable?

I suppose I am a bit because someone could have any form of difficulty which affects their grammar.

But generally, I still form an opinion about someone and what type of person they are just based on their use of "of" instead of "have". I don't decide to do this. It just automatically happens when I read it.

Hmmm.

And while we're at it, it's drawER not draw. Z(another thread has been annoying me today.

Porkster Sun 10-Feb-13 11:44:17

I judge. I know it's wrong, but I do.

'Would of' etc drives me nuts.

Gah. 'dialect is to do with the spoken form'.

As you see, I can't type.

Oh, I see.

I think, for me, dialect is the spoken form. If in your accent 'could've' and 'could of' are homophones, eventually it will become standard grammar. I think that's obvious.

I'm not sure I would justify writing 'could of' as dialect, it seems slightly different to me.

I think the only reason I'd be offended would be if someone suggested I should feel 'like a plank' to get it wrong. It's not hard to tell someone something new but not make them feel small doing it.

usualsuspect Sun 10-Feb-13 11:33:04

Innit, Theicingontop.

Theicingontop Sun 10-Feb-13 11:31:31

Life is way too short.

FellatioNels0n Sun 10-Feb-13 11:29:43

Yes LRD I think that is exactly what they are doing. But it is an innocent mistake nonetheless (much like the otter/rabbit thing) and I would hope that most people, once they'd had it pointed out to them would go 'Doh!' and make a concerted effort to stop doing it. So the principle is the same.

They've just mis-heard it many, many times, and so have the people around them, and they are all saying 'should of' too, which just compounds the problem - very few of us stop and analyse our everyday language - we just assume it makes sense. I understand completely how it happens. But many people seem to cling to the slightly bizarre idea that it's some kind of dialogue thing, and 'it's correct where I live because everyone I know does it and they understand me, so why should I stop?' Or getting all uppity and defensive when they are corrected.

I find that strange. I would feel like a plank if I thought I'd been doing that my whole life and no-one told me. I'd be grateful, not offended.

crashdoll Sun 10-Feb-13 10:52:51

YABVU to judge but YANBU to feel irritated.

fell, I don't think it is like the 'otter' example. I get what you're saying and I expect it's like that for some people. Like the way some people think 'alzheimers' is 'old-timer's' disease and once you tell them, they know.

But I think for some people, they just hear the two words sounding alike and end up writing the wrong one by mistake before their brain catches up. Ideally, you'd teach someone to proof-read properly and they would catch those mistakes, but everyone makes small errors sometimes, whether because their muscle memory catches them out, or because they type the wrong thing because they're thinking about the sound not the spelling.

Yes, they do, veritate.

Veritate Sun 10-Feb-13 10:23:36

You can't attribute this sort of mistake to dyslexia - dyslexic brains just don't work that way.

renaldo Sun 10-Feb-13 09:21:29

Your Swedish doctor will have impeccable English I bet
And certainly will not say 'could of '
And OP YANBU

Boomerwang Sun 10-Feb-13 08:05:21

Yes I wish their writing was legible, as I have very important medical notes from England to give to my Swedish doctor and I know that I'm going to have to try to translate some of the medical terms.

FellatioNels0n Sun 10-Feb-13 08:04:44

sorry for the gobbledygook typos.

FellatioNels0n Sun 10-Feb-13 08:03:31

to be honest I don't think anyone can read anything doctor writes anyway. grin

Doctors are not necessarily strong at English. They are almost always strong at maths though. They are left brain people, on the whole. The thing about doctors is that they are almost always from middle or upper middle class backgrounds, where good grammar and diction tends to be a default setting, drummed into them from an early age. Plus they have usually benefitted from attending a private school or a grammar school, so even if they are not naturally good spellers their standard of written English is usually be grammatically competent.

JakeBullet Sun 10-Feb-13 08:02:32

It's always important to account for accent and speed of speech as well. If I am in a rush my "could have" can easily be misconstrued for "could of" blush. It won't be what I said but might well sound like it.

My son who is autistic with ADHD is also a rapid speaker and sounds like he says " could of" when I know perfectly well he has said "could have" because generally his grammar is very good. He does mix up words though still and says things like "I want something betterer" or suchlike. This is despite me having read obsessively to him since his earliest days....but I guess ASD is to blame for all that.

Boomerwang Sun 10-Feb-13 07:56:30

There are no books in this house, save for first aid and baby care books, but I recognise the importance of reading for improving your spelling and grammar. When I was a kid I read anything from 3-8 books a week, always maxed out my limit in the local library. I would always encourage reading absolutely anything that piques your fancy because they provide invaluable lessons for free (from the library or illegal downloads) or for the price of the book.

I've got the old fashioned Kindle with no backlight and I love it. I stuff it with books and take this tiny slim thing around with me. It's so much more convenient!

FellatioNels0n Sun 10-Feb-13 07:54:05

hahah! spot the deilberate mistake! I altered the sentence but forgot to change the 'you're'

FellatioNels0n Sun 10-Feb-13 07:53:09

With the binning the CV thing, for me it would really depend on what position the application was for. If it was a manual skill I was looking for, and a job that required little or no written element then it would not bother me. If it was a front of house thing where first impressions to the client were everything, then clarity and accuracy of speech/grammar would be very important, even if that person's spelling was poor.

But if you know you're written English is dicey it costs nothing to ask a trusted, fully literate friend to check it over for you. Or go to the library and borrow a dictionary. To not have bothered at all is a sign of sloppiness and a lack of attention to detail.

Boomerwang Sun 10-Feb-13 07:52:46

I'm not saying it doesn't grate. As a kid I'd get a bit pissy if I noticed the headteacher wrote something containing a mistake. In my head it was just as important that he or she could write properly as well as run a school.

I also see spelling mistakes in some supermarket POS posters and labels. I completely understand that it makes you do a double take, I am exactly the same. If a friend of mine showed that she couldn't spell particularly well I wouldn't mark her down for it.

I apologise for using my father as an example because I now remember that my mother - who is absolutely fantastic with spelling, grammar and construction - went over my father's CV several times.

I still believe there are people out there who aren't given a good enough chance or are passed over for promotion because their poor spelling irks the persons giving out those opportunities.

Altinkum Sun 10-Feb-13 07:50:17

Well you know little about learning disabilities fell
Lauguage is processing skills, with having dyslexia, and having extreay difficultly in processing symbols, its not as simple as someone telling you, how to do it, its about your brain processing the symbols (ie words) so they stick, which isn't very easy when your brain won't grasp it.

Salbertina Sun 10-Feb-13 07:43:41

To be honest, if a doctor wrote "would of/should of" in any communication to me, I would be a little hmm but would then think they obviously have a brain and a medical education so respect despite their poor grammar.

Salbertina Sun 10-Feb-13 07:38:54

But grammar acts as a filter in this case, doesn't it? If 100 CVs received for 1 post, useful means of impression-screening.
Doctors are not recruited by CV and being in such demand and having made it thro rigorous training/assessment already are far more likely to be forgiven any bad grammatical errors.

Tee2072 Sun 10-Feb-13 07:34:26

Boomer if you know you can't spell for shit? Get someone to write it for you or at least check it over. Why wouldn't you? A CV is your first impression.

I absolutely will bin a CV if it has poor spelling or grammar. No matter the position.

I'm glad it didn't happen to your father also, but he's very very lucky it didn't. And probably would have in today's economy especially where there's 1000 CVs for every position and you need a quick way to start eliminating.

Boomerwang Sun 10-Feb-13 07:29:54

Those saying a CV would go in the bin if spelling was poor: I'm glad this didn't happen to my father, who spent 21 years in the army, became a vehicle specialist, had a CV that was so long he had to truncate it so that it might actually be read and has a poorer grasp on spelling and grammar than some. (I'm aware that sentence is too long but I don't care)

You could miss out on a great worker because you sneered at their spelling mistakes. There are doctors out there who can't spell for shit, do you think anyone gives a damn as long as they do their job well?

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