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To not give a damn if the Labour Party...(356 Posts)
Give away free flat screen TV's and a £500 Next gift card to everyone claiming benefits.
I don't care if they say 'fuck it, free immigration to everyone, we'll let anyone in'
I don't care if they spend 4 jillion pounds on a statue of Ghandi.
Just as long as the Conservatives don't get in again. They are fucking evil, aren't they?
bastards. Fucking bastards
I don't want to live in a country like this anymore
Yep....that appears about the size of it apparently
Contribution to society is about finance and nowt else from what I can see on here.
The fact that we can contribute in many non financial ways is nothing to some people. I am a volunteer and consider I provide a valuable contribution in addition to my caring responsibilities. There are some here though who might well say I should be working in that time.
"Out of interest, just how much DO you have to earn before you can be considered a worthwhile member of society? "
It has nothing to do with finance and everything to do with self sufficiency and self respect.
The welfare system was designed as a safety net to catch people and help them get back on their feet. It was never intended to be an endless subsidy to part timers. This is what tax credits are - a vote winner for muppet socialists.
I wonder what entitled whiners did before Brown brought tax credits in? Oh I know - they lived within their means and worked a full week. Now they live within their means plus tax credits and work less hours. I guess it lets them come onto MN and scream blue murder at the baby eating Tories.
Child benefit was a universal benefit and everyone got it. It meant that the productive members of society who were paying for the welfare system felt they were getting something back. But no more thanks to welfare overspend on the more deserving.
I am guessing then that all the anti tax credit folk nobly handed theirs back...
Tax credits were there to top up crap wages....not for votes....I certainly did not vote Labour in the last election and I am a right slapper...my vote CAN be bought....I have voted for all three of the major parties at one time or another.
Whatever happens there has to be a way in which low paid workers can live. I didn't consider tax credits when reducing my hours......they were the last thing on my mind. I looked at my salary and thought "can I live on this amount". As it happens it was hard even with my £40 tax credit top up per month. Only now I am out of work do I get a significant sum of tax credit ...and to get that significant sum I needed a disabled child. It's NOTHING to what I was earning though.
I am sure there ARE some who did look at how much they could claim but it's not representative of most people.
I agree it's a safety net.....and it's now supporting me and my son but I am dreading cuts and the increase in living costs because going back to work is not an option for me at the moment although it may well be in the future.
Like it or not people judge, they judge all the time and they judge me for being a single mother and for being out of work.
How fucking dare you call me an entitled whiner.
I will explain again for those who cannot comprehend anything that does not directly fit with their prejudices. I worked full time for years then I was made redundant, didn't claim a penny. Six months later I was still unemployed so jumped at the chance of a part time job. I thought it was preferable to nothing (apparently not).
I continued job hunting, either for a full time one or second part time one. A year on no luck so I have added studying to working and job hunting to try and increase my chances. Apparently this makes me selfish and irresponsible.
In this time of me job hunting DH was made redundant too which pushed us over the edge financially and led us to claiming CTC to avoid homelessness.
Allgo you have more money than me, you may be more educated than me, more inteligent than me perhaps but it doesn't give you the right to call me lazy and accuse me of having no sense of responsibility because it is not true. I am NOT lazy.
"they lived within their means and worked a full week"
Snort - yeah, no-one ever accused anyone of being dole scum before Labour got in. Oh except for like the whole of the 70s and 80s, obv.
Some of you people just make up "facts" to fit in with the drivel you read in the Daily Mail. It is impossible to have a reasoned debate with you.
allgoing do you think child benefit should have remained universal? Doesn't seem to sit well with your views.
Would you care to answer my question above?
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