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to be concerned by how much support Nigel Farage

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FreudiansSlipper Thu 17-Jan-13 23:20:30

Seems to be getting on Question Time

It's worrying how much support UKIP are getting

elizaregina Fri 18-Jan-13 13:18:21

I am not in BOston but I know a MW at local hospital has almost been drive to a nervous breakdown due to the unbearable pressure - lack of resources in hospital purley down to sharp rise in birth numbers from immigrants in a place of low resources. I think what MB said about that local hospital was hideous when women and babies loose lives - can be scarred for life etc etc through a process of childbirth.
also she didnt state what the resources where there to begin with - for instance - only a rise of 1% - well was that particular resource able to cope with that 1% rise?

also she didnt mention the noitourisly bad record keeping of the government - so all records are not accurate.

FreudiansSlipper Fri 18-Jan-13 13:24:10

I agree she did not handle it well but the point she was making was she was trying to get away from is pesky foreigners come here steal our jobs and homes David Dimbleby pointed out that these jobs could be done by locals but those who run the businesses choose to pay less and not look after their staff and who is willing to work for little money migrant workers then of course Nigel Farafe agreed but far better and easi to point the finger at the migrant workers to get people worked up

manicbmc Fri 18-Jan-13 13:25:21

Boston hospital was always well crap before there were so many immigrants. They are just using them as an excuse for their shoddy care standards.

My mother died due to lack of after care following a minor routine procedure at that hospital. Not because of any underlying health issues. Not because she didn't follow what she should do. But because they failed to look after her post-operatively. This was quite a number of years ago.

Horsemad Fri 18-Jan-13 13:40:27

Yes manic the hospital has had a poor reputation for years.
I've always been happy with the level of treatment and care received though. smile

tuonela Fri 18-Jan-13 14:05:10

It really doesn't wash that questioning EU or mass immigration automatically equates to being racist. Have you read any of the comments on say German papers. Many actually respect the stance we're taking on the EU edifice and it's role.

The racist tag is a great way of closing down debate though...

elizaregina Fri 18-Jan-13 14:09:49

but you have a crap - or rather - life threatening hospital - and you have no resources to make that hospital better - so you flood it with even more people?

elizaregina Fri 18-Jan-13 14:11:57

Unfortunlaty I think MB is a classic case of " Ivory Towers", I would say her and her attitude is the exact reason why parties like UK are doing well. She is totally divorced from the reality - the daily reality - that alot of people all over the UK are facing.

Certianly it seemed her report was a direct contradiction from the living experience of the lady from Boston.

Orwellian Fri 18-Jan-13 14:15:54

Why would you be concerned? How many people has Nigel Farage killed? How many illegal wars has he entered the country into? How many terrorists has he allowed to settle and claim benefits in this country? He is just a politician ffs, don't be so dramatic. People are thankfully still allowed to hold opinions in this country, even if they aren't to the liking of the liberal/left 'intelligensia' (but for how much longer?).

MoreBeta Fri 18-Jan-13 14:20:00

<stands shoulder to shoulder with Orwellian>

Branding someone a racist is very much a well worn tactic of the left to shut down debate.

bringnbuy Fri 18-Jan-13 14:22:21

i saw watched it too. very interesting. i agreed with alot of what Nigel said, made more sense than the boring crap coming out of the others

manicbmc Fri 18-Jan-13 14:23:07

Hitler was just a politician to begin with. hmm

MoreBeta Fri 18-Jan-13 14:23:29

Oh look what I found. The BBc is reporting that Farage should not take part in TV election debates, says PM http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21066558.

UKIP are running ahead of the LibDems in some polls.

MoreBeta Fri 18-Jan-13 14:24:37
wouldulikeit Fri 18-Jan-13 14:29:05

I'm tired of hearing anybody questioning our role in Europe, especially facing the austerity measures that we are labeled as racists.

People have genuine and valid concerns and do not feel like they're being listened to by this government.

This is why ukip are picking up the votes.

FreudiansSlipper Fri 18-Jan-13 14:34:59

I am concerned as I have read up on UKIP's policies

should I not be when they are gaining support, Nigel Farage seem to have quite a lot of support from the audience last night and I feel UKIP's policies would be damaging to many

have you read the UKIP manifesto have you not read in the news the crap that many of their senior members come out with

FreudiansSlipper Fri 18-Jan-13 14:36:42

UKIP are not just about being anti Europe though

carlajean Fri 18-Jan-13 14:38:18

why are you so surprised, when the other members clearly didn't give a damn about what residents of the area thought?

Busyoldfool Fri 18-Jan-13 14:38:45

Agree wouldu. Sick of debate being shut down with the ultimate insult, regardless of what the point might be.

TheSecondComing Fri 18-Jan-13 14:44:28

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

bringnbuy Fri 18-Jan-13 15:00:17

i know of a fair few immigrants who also worry about the impact of so many immigrants coming over. it isn't just british people that are worrying about it.

lljkk Fri 18-Jan-13 15:15:33

I don't like his opinions but I think I like Farage personally, he is very entertaining. His wife is German, which U probably all knew, he's more charming & socially liberal than most of his party.

UKIP is big where we are, scary. Important local business owner is one of their candidates, they are well organised on parish councils and make their feelings known on many local planning issues (eg, can't get a single wind turbine built around here for love or money). I picked up one of their newsletters (14 page thing in cottage hospital magazine reading pile). "It's all middle aged white men!" shrieked DH in disgust (he is a middle aged white man himself). But monoculture is their preference. The only foreign-born people I know locally ( Polish ) are trained teachers working long hours doing care work, and volunteering actively at their kids' clubs. Such parasites, honestly! ( ironic smiley )

I was quite pleased with Radio 5 phone in the other day, when a lot of people were endorsing the idea of a referendum on EU membership just to get the anti-Europeans to STFU. I'm tired of the shit-stirring. I'll probably plan to leave the country soon after Britain leaves EU.

lljkk Fri 18-Jan-13 15:17:11

Listen to detailed results of next elections:

the anti-Europe pro-xenophobic bias parties, if all their votes were pooled, they easily come 2nd and even first in many elections. It's very scary.

EldritchCleavage Fri 18-Jan-13 15:31:03

UKIP are big in Lincolnshire, so Nigel Farage would have got a good reception. Farage is a very talented 'performer' but I don't find him credible as a serious politician. I don't see him as a man who could really build a consensus or find creative solutions for intractable problems. The rest of UKIP is very much less impressive than him-like a lot of fringe parties, the calibre of candidates varies wildly and I think that is why they don't win in Westminster elections. And what are their policies on other things? The trouble with (almost) single issue parties is that they don't have developed agendas on the great mass of stuff that any government has to deal with. That is why even if I were anti-Europe I couldn't vote for UKIP. What on earth would we do if they actually got in?

tuonela Fri 18-Jan-13 15:39:37

I'm still struggling with this. Can the posters who continue to claim they are 'scared' or 'frightened' by Nigel Farage please explain why they are not 'scared' or 'frightened' by the fact that the democratically elected leaders of Italy and Greece were removed from office and replaced by faceless technocrats selected from a faceless cabal in Brussels?

EldritchCleavage Fri 18-Jan-13 15:47:36

I agree tuonela. Democracy deficit in the Eu is glossed over to an astonishing degree. Farage is a bit scary, as a demagogue, but the Christine LaGranges of this world are more scary, to my mind.

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