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Benefits should be a stop gap.
Why are you talking about what people on benefits are "allowed"
they can spend their money as they wish - BUT it should only be to help people back into work, or to make being / caring for disabled people feasible.
"Benefits" should not be a lifestyle choice - and trust me they are.

Sammy What about those who have never paid tax or NI - 3rd generation unemployed ....

To clarify : I personally think that ERS NI for employees on under £15000 should be halved or even quartered - as it would encourage employers to hire lower skilled staff, it would dismantle the tax credits nightmare at a stroke and it would separate out the indigent from the unable ...

If bening on benefits or low wages is such a walk in the park then why are food banks springing up like daffodils in springtime.

OP, what if you've only just been appointed to your <ahem> averagely paid job and the company goes bust/you are laid off sick as the result of an accident?

"Define poverty. What is someone on benefits "allowed"? Can one have a car but only if it's more than 10 years old, a tv as long as it isn't a plasma, and only mince in the week and a roast on a Sunday?"

No, we have old cars, soya mince only and no plasma TV..... because it's what we can afford. Does that mean we are proper poor?

Why do you care op why?

I'm so tired with these threads...

Love how you say what people should be doing....almost like you are some authority to be listened to?!

Huge flaw in your theory OP.

Many people cannot afford to put a substantial amount aside for a rainy day because living costs are so high that they are struggling. Even families on over 36k.

Emmmm have you tried to get a job recently?

Goady goady goad goad Talkin - not a nice OP not a nice attitude.

I've been on benefits. it's not a picnic and I hope never to be there again. And FWIW employers don't want lower skilled staff, even people with degrees can't get jobs.

OP, i've changed my mind, please don't read and answer my question

i can't be arsed engaging with you now

Food banks are sprining up because people have desperately tried thier best not to sink by taking out credit...and in the end what is left? Credit, no job, no food....people don't go to food banks unless they really need to. And yet, they are well used, and will continue to be so.

OP if you are so against someone claiming what they are entitled to then im assuming you dont and have never claimed your Child Benefit.
Because obviously you would never be that hypocritical!!!
Incidentally as this thread alludes to a thread started by someone else whose DH has lost his job i would have thought this was tantamount to bullying.

Lynette - I have an old car that's falling apart , no plasma tellies here big clunky old things and we don't have meat every night. Am I proper poor too?

I'd rather see someone receive benefits because they have lost their job and have no savings than see someone receive benefits because they got themselves pregnant when they didn't have a stable home and income.

OMG, nobody has EVER before put forward the argument that benefits shouldn't be a lifestyle choice! I do love a fresh new perspective.

Can we play Benefit Bash Bingo?

"Shouldn't be a lifestyle choice"
"52" plasma tv"
"Holiday to DisneyWorld"
"Obviously not if you're disabled"
"Bring back hanging"

So, the deserving poor can get benefits, and the undeserving poor must hang by their own thread and starve. Workhouse anyone?

I care about who gets what benefit because there are too many funds going to those who do not need
(non means tested fuel benefits being spent at Majestic)
too much persecution of those who really need - ATOS dodgy tests of the disabled
too much money siphoned out of the system in 'management fees' - do you KNOW how much Crapita get for running that blooming WTC system
and not enough going to those who really need,
and not in a way that actually helps them to break the cycle.

I could not give a shit what telly they have.
I'm more interested to know if they are motivated to watch decent stuff on it an look for ways out of their predicaments
and FFS if the Poles can take jobs, why can the English not beat them to it :
supermarket cleaning is not high skilled, but it DOES pay less than JSA +HB - = the benefit trap ...

Dammit, I'm on a diet so popcorn is off the menu!

I have a 546546745764 inch goat ready wide screen and have 657656585 holidays a year

can NOT afford bickies though

Oh Racism to boot. I call bingo.

How the fuck does watching TV help you get a job? What is "decent stuff"? Dowtown but not Jezza?

Sammy What about those who have never paid tax or NI - 3rd generation unemployed ....

The point of your OP was that people earning more than average (26k) should take care of themselves. Since when have 3rd generation unemployed earnt more than 26k? Seems like you're moving the goalposts mid game because you realise your on the losing side.

"The benefit system should be to prevent true poverty, no more."

Sez who?

The whole point of the benefits system - and the NHS and state schooling - was that almost everyone should put in and almost everyone should take out. The system acts as redistribution over people's life-times, not just between people.

Which is why we have non-means tested benefits like child benefit, state pension, etc, and progressive NI and taxes to pay for them.

Suddenly we have people like you, OP, sweepingly redefining the whole purpose of the welfare state, without any discussion.

Hence the new means testing of child benefit, incapacity benefits and they're about to go for the old age benefits. Makes it much easier to create a class of "benefits recipients" to then demonise, doesn't it, than when we're all recipients?

non means tested fuel benefits being spent at Majestic

How much is this benefit? Payable when and to whom??

My husband and I earn £30k between us but that will drop now I'm on maternity leave. We don't have any disposable income to set aside for savings, we're paying off debts & are trying to reduce them.

at "widescreen goat"