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AIBU?

To want to do something about FIL being a hoarder.

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Momdeguerre · 27/08/2012 16:34

FIL has always been a hoarder but for most of his younger life it appears to have been restrained by MIL and a full time occupation. Since he retired 9 years ago it has become significantly worse and in the last two years utterly uncontrolled as MIl has developed some dementia.

We have always tried to respect their privacy and choices but other agencies are becoming involved and complaints from their neighbours are piling up. A recent visit by a community mental health nurse to MIL led to visits from social services who have also met with us and raised concerns about his ability to support/care for MIL and himself.

To give you an idea of scale - there are only three rooms in a 12 room house accessible. The garden is mostly covered and a very large barn in the garden is also totally full. There are two sailing boats and three cars disintegrating on the drive and they have a very severe rodent problem.

He doesn't just collect - his view is that these are items he needs for work in progress to the house - he took the kitchen to pieces earlier in the year in order to 'restore' it. He is certain he has some of the original tiles stored somewhere and is looking for them (the kitchen is thirty years old).

They are financially secure and we have attempted to encourage them to pay for house clearers, pest control and even basic services to be fitted. All are refused - FIL won't hear of it.

We became a bit desperate last year when FIL was hospitalised for knee surgery and with SIL and other family we booked skips and cleared a bedrrom and a clear path through the garden. We also paid for pest control. It took five skips and FIL was furious. It was awful but we have tried so much persuasion, help, support, encouragement. We don't really know what else to try.

He is 78 now and becoming more frail. We are torn between perhaps causing a huge rift by just taking action and having him assessed etc and tackling the house or accepting that we should just butt out and respect that this is his life and we don't have a right to interfere.

AIBU?

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SecretNutellaMedallist · 27/08/2012 16:36

Has he been assessed by mental health specialists as well? It's just possible that he may be trying to hang on to memories because he has seen his wife lose hers.

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Momdeguerre · 27/08/2012 16:38

No, no assessment. I suspect that he is very depressed but we have been unable to persuade him to see a Dr and he will not discuss it.

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Trazzletoes · 27/08/2012 16:40

YANBU. DM is in the early stages of hoarding. Like all these things, doing anything is pointless until they acknowledge there is a problem. I really feel for you.

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Trazzletoes · 27/08/2012 16:42

Sorry, but I would still say try and help. If there are rodents in the house then it's potentially very serious for both your parents, and the house will be especially dangerous for your mother. You can't leave him to carry on as he is. I hope that you can access some help.

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AdoraBell · 27/08/2012 16:47

YANBU in wanting to help, but it's a bit like addiction, unless he sees that his behaviour is a problem he wont even try to change.

Could someone talk to his GP, I know GP can't give out info but if the DCs express concern for their elderly parent it might help.

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Momdeguerre · 27/08/2012 16:52

Sorry you are having this too TT.

We haven't spoken to his GP before and I suspect it would upset him hugely if we did. It is something we considered before but, given that he refuses to accept there is any issue at all, and that it is likely to disengage him from us totally - we have resisted so far.

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shornthesheep · 27/08/2012 16:55

It's hard. IME if you go in gung-ho and start putting things into skips, they will just accumulate more stuff all over again. It has to be tackled starting from his mental health, not just the practicalities.

Have you spoken to the fire dept? I know it's often seen as a fire risk so it might trigger some intervention.

Stelios Kiosses was that therapist on the Hoarder Next Door, perhaps you might want to contact him? Personally I am a bit skeptical about his methods, but at least he approaches it from the pov of changing the person's perspective, not just the environment. But, well, your DF would have to want to change.

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shornthesheep · 27/08/2012 16:56

FIL not DF sorry.

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amothersplaceisinthewrong · 27/08/2012 17:00

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You have my sympathies. i have an FIL who is turning this way - he too is caring for MIL with Alzheimers. We recently had to FORCE him to have the bathroom adapted as she needs a walk in shower so the carer can showerher and he wanted to keep the bath that was ripped out. DH told the builders to take it away and was shouted at by FIL who said teh bathroom was not needed. He also refuses all help and has on one occasion tried to sack the carer even though he would not shower MIL or change her himself.

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Momdeguerre · 27/08/2012 17:23

STS - I think the Fire aspect may be worth a try - I have some friends in the Fire service too. I have watched SK on the hoarder programme but I strongly suspect I would not be able to get FIL to even talk to him.

amothersplace - That sounds painfully familiar. Has anything helped with him?

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cozietoesie · 27/08/2012 17:39

The trouble is that it's not just his life - but also your MIL's and the nearby community (re rat and other possible infestations, fire etc etc.)

I lived with a hoarder (who was only restrained in later years by illness and the inability to get out and collect) and there's nothing really to do but - at his age - get professional help, if needs be having him assessed and action taken with regard to the hoard and conditions in the house. It's hateful and you would feel like a heel but from what you've said, I don't see that you have any other option now.

I feel for you - and I do know what it's like.

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