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Following Cass, it's time for a Public Inquiry

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2fallsfromSSA · 16/04/2024 21:43

Following the publication of Cass, surely it is now time for a public inquiry into current systemic child safeguarding failures in the whole of the UK?

SSA have today written to Rishi Sunk calling for a Public Inquiry into regulatory capture in the education sector and safeguarding failures in schools. You can see a copy of our letter here: x.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1780311849902248091

Our position is that whilst the review is welcome it must be the beginning of accountability, not the end. If you agree then please write to your own MPs - there is a template letter here: https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/resources-2/letter-templates/

Letter templates for parents Safe Schools Alliance UK

Letter templates to help parents and carers raise concerns with schools and other organisations. Including successful letters from supporters.

https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/resources-2/letter-templates/

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NumberTheory · 17/04/2024 01:59

I think it’s time for action, first. Public Inquiries take forever and things are often put on hold for them, waiting for the results.

The Grenfell inquiry still hasn’t finished, nearly 7 years on, and that had pretty narrow terms of reference. Both the Scottish Child Abuse inquiry and the Undercover Policing Inquiries have been going for 9 years and counting. A public inquiry will delay action and hurt women.

We need shorter more targeted investigations that will end to more action faster on things like single sex spaces, Trans women in women’s prisons, Trans women in women’s sport, Adult trans health services, etc. After we’ve stemmed the tide a Public Inquiry into the institutional capture might be a sound idea.

EasternStandard · 17/04/2024 02:02

NumberTheory · 17/04/2024 01:59

I think it’s time for action, first. Public Inquiries take forever and things are often put on hold for them, waiting for the results.

The Grenfell inquiry still hasn’t finished, nearly 7 years on, and that had pretty narrow terms of reference. Both the Scottish Child Abuse inquiry and the Undercover Policing Inquiries have been going for 9 years and counting. A public inquiry will delay action and hurt women.

We need shorter more targeted investigations that will end to more action faster on things like single sex spaces, Trans women in women’s prisons, Trans women in women’s sport, Adult trans health services, etc. After we’ve stemmed the tide a Public Inquiry into the institutional capture might be a sound idea.

Good post. I agree with faster action

WarriorN · 17/04/2024 06:42

We need shorter more targeted investigations that will end to more action

Cass is specifically about safeguarding children. The most immediate action should surely be lobbying our MPs to make sure that they understand the loopholes in current safeguarding legislation.

Some in this will not resolve until there's an inquiry.

WarriorN · 17/04/2024 06:43

And these templates are for parents to raise the issue about their children's schools with their MP.

WarriorN · 17/04/2024 06:46

This is around tbe schools to clinics pipeline.

Which is particularly stoked by charities such as stonewall and mermaids and all the other LGBT charities, all the RSE pshe set ups and the universities who are also teaching this ideology to new teachers. They have been for so long that it's possible to have teachers with middle management roles such as pshe coordinator etc.

ArabellaScott · 17/04/2024 06:51

What about launching a statutory enquiry while ALSO taking action on specific issues?

The establishment of an enquiry shows there is a serious issue that the govt/establishment needs to investigate. If nothing else it may help to make a statement.

Runor · 17/04/2024 06:57

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WarriorN · 17/04/2024 06:57

Yes it's not an either or thing!

EasternStandard · 17/04/2024 06:58

ArabellaScott · 17/04/2024 06:51

What about launching a statutory enquiry while ALSO taking action on specific issues?

The establishment of an enquiry shows there is a serious issue that the govt/establishment needs to investigate. If nothing else it may help to make a statement.

Fair point

WarriorN · 17/04/2024 07:03

Cass is not the end of the issues with children here, by any means.

It touched on schools. The school issue needs its own 388 page document.

There are lecturers on university teacher training courses with specific courses and roles around lgbt inclusion in primary and eyfs education.

Mature Teachers are taking those modules as part of MAs and then going back into their school and working their way onto SLT.

And don't even get me started on the free schools, especially forest schools it appears, who are offering alternative provision for the children who aren't currently able to access education at all.

sashagabadon · 17/04/2024 07:07

I think it’s too big a topic for one enquiry. It covers too many areas. It needs to multiple enquiries in all the separate areas.
but I agree that then could hide how gender ideology has tentacles everywhere

WarriorN · 17/04/2024 07:18

There are whole rafts of research articles about including "trans kids" in primary schools, now being produced by 'research laundering' or 'citation cartels' whereby groups of individuals are working together referencing each others' work.

There are books and educational companies for teachers referencing this research.

Cass does say that there may be children for whom medical intervention is "right" - presumably why the proposed guidelines included that, and so all these books and resources are still going to be relevant.

The believers aren't going to drop their belief and grift that quickly.

WarriorN · 17/04/2024 07:19

And don't even get me started on the free schools, especially forest schools it appears, who are offering alternative provision for the children who aren't currently able to access education at all.

The majority of whom are autistic or suspected to be

GenderBlender · 17/04/2024 07:19

We definitely need to have a take stock moment. We seem to be entering a period of time where tried and tested methods of determining important things such as what are effective treatments, how to keep children safe or how to treat people fairly are breaking down.

Methodologies such as empirical research, risk based safe guarding and laws based on recognised protected characteristics are being eroded by identity politics.

Instead of robust trials determining what treatments are effective, we have anecdata and personal preferences. Instead of risk based safe guarding we have magical thinking that risks are negated just by people's beliefs about themselves, and instead of clearly laws based on clearly defined objective characteristics, we have calls for self defined characteristics.

I am seeing the boundaries between activism and professionalism dissolve so quickly, with many professionals seemingly not even noticing they have gone and that they are now wading in very murky waters.

In the lurch towards viewing everything through a social justice lens, we are at risk of losing some some of these fundamental practices that keep us sane and safe. This needs to be looked at properly.

EasternStandard · 17/04/2024 07:21

WarriorN · 17/04/2024 07:18

There are whole rafts of research articles about including "trans kids" in primary schools, now being produced by 'research laundering' or 'citation cartels' whereby groups of individuals are working together referencing each others' work.

There are books and educational companies for teachers referencing this research.

Cass does say that there may be children for whom medical intervention is "right" - presumably why the proposed guidelines included that, and so all these books and resources are still going to be relevant.

The believers aren't going to drop their belief and grift that quickly.

We need research to swing to pro women. We need a mass of research uncovering all this stuff

The richness of topic is huge - from language, to media, to international oversight to children, it goes on and on

Who funds the gender TRA type research do you know?

BettyFilous · 17/04/2024 07:24

Excellent post @GenderBlender

ResisterRex · 17/04/2024 07:25

NumberTheory · 17/04/2024 01:59

I think it’s time for action, first. Public Inquiries take forever and things are often put on hold for them, waiting for the results.

The Grenfell inquiry still hasn’t finished, nearly 7 years on, and that had pretty narrow terms of reference. Both the Scottish Child Abuse inquiry and the Undercover Policing Inquiries have been going for 9 years and counting. A public inquiry will delay action and hurt women.

We need shorter more targeted investigations that will end to more action faster on things like single sex spaces, Trans women in women’s prisons, Trans women in women’s sport, Adult trans health services, etc. After we’ve stemmed the tide a Public Inquiry into the institutional capture might be a sound idea.

I disagree. They do take forever but they have the power to stop organisations deleting things and they can compel witnesses.

soupfiend · 17/04/2024 07:29

Theres a lot of talk on these types of threads about schools but what about scouts/beavers/guides etc or which ever one has both girls and boys and has mixed together and then allows children of different sexes to share dorms on camping trips etc

The forced language that health staff, teachers or social workers are forced to use with regard 'instant validation', so they them/he/her etc, the damage that does over the long term

And wider than that, are issues around crime reporting, crimes being recorded as being committed by women when they were committed by men, the press releases for criminals on the run we've seen about 'a female aged 30' when its a man etc etc

All of that needs to be incoporated into actions

2fallsfromSSA · 17/04/2024 07:35

NumberTheory · 17/04/2024 01:59

I think it’s time for action, first. Public Inquiries take forever and things are often put on hold for them, waiting for the results.

The Grenfell inquiry still hasn’t finished, nearly 7 years on, and that had pretty narrow terms of reference. Both the Scottish Child Abuse inquiry and the Undercover Policing Inquiries have been going for 9 years and counting. A public inquiry will delay action and hurt women.

We need shorter more targeted investigations that will end to more action faster on things like single sex spaces, Trans women in women’s prisons, Trans women in women’s sport, Adult trans health services, etc. After we’ve stemmed the tide a Public Inquiry into the institutional capture might be a sound idea.

SSA alongside many groups have been focussed on taking action in all of these areas for years and calling for a public inquiry does not mean these actions will stop. But for those of us involved in taking that action (for 5 years for SSA but for many more years for others) we realise how thwarted we are at every single turn by whole scale institutional capture. What Cass failed to do was highlight this capture and the extent to which unions, academies, teacher training, unions, professional orgs and the department for education have colluded in overriding safeguarding. Quite frankly it's like playing whack a mole. This is why we need a public inquiry. It's not an either or situation.

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2fallsfromSSA · 17/04/2024 09:55

And absolutely @soupfiend - this is why we need a public inquiry. Because you may try and tackle Girl Guides,for example but they've been trained by lobby groups and captured. There is likely to be nowhere to go with the complaint because the leadership bolstered by activists have the control and have set the policy and get rid of anyone who challenges them. You turn to the NSPCC - similarly captured. I turned to the NSPCC 6 years ago when British gymnastics released their trans inclusive policy and was horrified to find they saw no safeguarding risk. When we raised concerns to Oxfordshire county council and the safeguarding board about the toolkit stonewall were visiting the next day. OCC were stonewall champions.

Just examples of capture and why we need a public inquiry.

Activists were allowed to get away with it years ago when many women still just wanted to "be kind" without understanding where this was all going.

The point of a public inquiry is to expose the widespread level of strategic and organised capture. The only way we are going to restore safeguarding is to tackle it at a public inquiry. Local and specific action is still necessary but you are only scratching the surface.

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2fallsfromSSA · 17/04/2024 13:43

@ResisterRex totally agree. This does not replace action but there is such a huge amount to unpick an Inquiry is the only way.

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NumberTheory · 17/04/2024 14:46

2fallsfromSSA · 17/04/2024 07:35

SSA alongside many groups have been focussed on taking action in all of these areas for years and calling for a public inquiry does not mean these actions will stop. But for those of us involved in taking that action (for 5 years for SSA but for many more years for others) we realise how thwarted we are at every single turn by whole scale institutional capture. What Cass failed to do was highlight this capture and the extent to which unions, academies, teacher training, unions, professional orgs and the department for education have colluded in overriding safeguarding. Quite frankly it's like playing whack a mole. This is why we need a public inquiry. It's not an either or situation.

It does seem to delay and replace action, though. For instance, the Grenfell inquiry has long delayed criminal prosecution.

I appreciate ResisterRex’s point about is stopping the destruction of incriminating evidence, though.

2fallsfromSSA · 17/04/2024 15:15

What is your solution then @NumberTheory? I mean over and above what many of us have been doing for so many years to tackle these issues. How do you propose we tackle widespread institutional and regulatory capture that's been designed to override and dismantle safeguarding?

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Leafstamp · 17/04/2024 16:50

Thanks for the template @2fallsfromSSA

I have written to my MP.

FrancescaContini · 17/04/2024 17:22

GenderBlender · 17/04/2024 07:19

We definitely need to have a take stock moment. We seem to be entering a period of time where tried and tested methods of determining important things such as what are effective treatments, how to keep children safe or how to treat people fairly are breaking down.

Methodologies such as empirical research, risk based safe guarding and laws based on recognised protected characteristics are being eroded by identity politics.

Instead of robust trials determining what treatments are effective, we have anecdata and personal preferences. Instead of risk based safe guarding we have magical thinking that risks are negated just by people's beliefs about themselves, and instead of clearly laws based on clearly defined objective characteristics, we have calls for self defined characteristics.

I am seeing the boundaries between activism and professionalism dissolve so quickly, with many professionals seemingly not even noticing they have gone and that they are now wading in very murky waters.

In the lurch towards viewing everything through a social justice lens, we are at risk of losing some some of these fundamental practices that keep us sane and safe. This needs to be looked at properly.

Totally agree with you especially your final two paragraphs.

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