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MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/12/2023 23:22

If I remember rightly a number of trans individuals / organisations made a cynical choice to target children in care / children away from their families. It was one of the first things that alerted me to the exploitative nature of those pushing this at children - that they deliberately sought out the most vulnerable of children for their "attention" with policies and training events for foster carers, staff in children's homes and social workers.

If you tell vulnerable sad children that they can be "fixed" with a magical new special identity, it's not surprising that many buy into it. Hence their over representation in this cohort of children and young people.

concernsocialworkstudent · 16/12/2023 23:25

The ideological capture of Social Work lead me to drop out of my masters programme. Couldn't hack anymore of the harmful bullshit.

TempestTost · 16/12/2023 23:39

Maybe partly, but I think it is more than that.

Children with difficult backgrounds can be more vulnerable themselves to ideologies like this.

And also, once a best practice is established, foster parents or guardians just don't have much choice about following that. It's kind of like parenting is completely subsumed in a liability culture.

Social work itself seem to jump on just about every stupid progressive bandwagon you can imagine. Progressive social justice frameworks are baked into the ideological basis of almost every social work department you'll find.They are extremely hostile places for anyone with any political, social, or religious views which aren't in line with that. People who aren't on board get weeded out of social work unless they are pretty determined.

LorlieS · 17/12/2023 00:04

Apparently Cafcass (the unfit for purpose organisation who work with children going through family courts) now ask any child they interview their pronouns as their first question.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/12/2023 00:12

LorlieS · 17/12/2023 00:04

Apparently Cafcass (the unfit for purpose organisation who work with children going through family courts) now ask any child they interview their pronouns as their first question.

Nor surprising as Cafcass were (not sure if they still are) involved with Stonewall so they'll need to prioritise Stonewall's demands over children's needs.

TheFireflies · 17/12/2023 00:14

LorlieS · 17/12/2023 00:04

Apparently Cafcass (the unfit for purpose organisation who work with children going through family courts) now ask any child they interview their pronouns as their first question.

No, I can confirm this is not the case.

LorlieS · 17/12/2023 00:32

@TheFireflies Are you a Cafcass Officer?

sailrunski · 17/12/2023 00:34

LorlieS · 17/12/2023 00:04

Apparently Cafcass (the unfit for purpose organisation who work with children going through family courts) now ask any child they interview their pronouns as their first question.

Can also confirm they do not

TheFireflies · 17/12/2023 00:34

LorlieS · 17/12/2023 00:32

@TheFireflies Are you a Cafcass Officer?

Yes.
I am actually able to speak quite openly now about gender ideology, Cass report etc.
I can’t speak for all individual practitioners, but in my team it’s certainly not a practice, and it’s not policy.

LorlieS · 17/12/2023 00:38

@TheFireflies I'm so sorry to hear you work for such an abhorrent organisation, but pleased you don't personally ask (most) children this question.

TheFireflies · 17/12/2023 00:40

LorlieS · 17/12/2023 00:38

@TheFireflies I'm so sorry to hear you work for such an abhorrent organisation, but pleased you don't personally ask (most) children this question.

You don’t need to be sorry for me, I know the truth of the work I and my team do, and I know a lot of the things that are said about us just don’t reflect the reality, but thanks.

LorlieS · 17/12/2023 00:49

@TheFireflies I also know the truth of the work Cafcass do and whilst of course I cannot comment on every individual Cafcass Officer, I can categorically say that some of your Officers are a complete disgrace who are entirely incompetent and destroy the lives of children with their ignorance and biases (favouring fathers at all costs).
Perhaps you are one of the rare ones.

rogdmum · 17/12/2023 09:30

I know quite a few parents (including myself) who have been reported to social services for not supporting their child’s social transition, so a bit different to what is being discussed here as gender identity is the issue. The response from social services is very hit or miss which in itself is a problem. Some social workers do believe parents must support their child’s social transition and put immense pressure on them to do so. Others are aware of the Cass Review and the need for caution and will work with parents.

Our social worker was very no nonsense and practical, looking for other solutions which would help ease our daughter’s distress and agreed with the advice we’d received from her child psychologist to turn a blind eye to her/her peer group’s use of name/pronouns etc. Unfortunately her school decided to disregard this view and refused to discuss it with us.

Tinkeytonkoldfruit · 17/12/2023 09:40

@LorlieS you've obviously had a difficult experience with Cafcass, but abhorrent is rude and unfair when @TheFireflies does a difficult and complex role. Just like someone who had a bad experience with their GP suggesting all Doctors are abhorrent - ridiculous and unnecessary.

Back to the point it is not reflective of my local authority - we have a number of gender critical social workers, myself included. There are challenges though in how those conversations are managed and how we get the right message communicated to practitioners. I am waiting on the concluded findings of several employment tribunals currently to give me a stronger base from which to confidently have these conversations and also the final Cass report will be helpful too I think. There is definitely more of an openness starting to develop though, I was in a meeting recently with senior managers and commissioners from CAMHs and people were talking and recommending colleagues listen to the Inside the Tavistock podcast for example.

Tinkeytonkoldfruit · 17/12/2023 09:46

I do think the major social work organizations though - so SWE and BASW are captured or too scared of being 'cancelled' to have thoughtful and nuanced conversations about this.

Btw I don't think children in care are over represented in the trans population because of social workers. It's because they are some of the most vulnerable children in our society, many have experienced abuse, neglect, trauma and there is an higher percentage of children with neuro-diversity than in the general population which both increase vulnerability to succumb to this ideology.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/12/2023 11:39

Good to hear that some Cafcass workers are professional and balanced. However the report is directly quoting from "advisory" documents issued under the Cafcass banner. Which of course is similar to most professions where transactivists who prioritise their ideology over children's welfare have been allowed to publish all sorts of ideological nonsense advice having self identified as "experts" in this field.
Hopefully as this "advice" is increasingly seen for the anti safeguarding, dangerous to children psycho babble that it is, leaders in all the professions will start finding their spine and only allow child centred, safeguarding focused advice to be published under their name.

LorlieS · 17/12/2023 12:17

@MrsOvertonsWindow I agree with you. One only has to look at the current Cafcass guidance on their website...

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/12/2023 12:37

Sadly it's nationwide. The CPS is appallingly captured and have produced some really dangerous to children advice. Teaching unions, the cars crash of the NHS and so on.
But there are slow signs of progress. Several years ago the Stonewall Diversity champion Ofsted was pushing gender identity at schools and downgrading some primary schools for (amongst other things) failing to teach about gender identity. Then the press exposed letters from Stonewall complaining that Ofsted inspectors weren't talking to primary children enough about gender identity. Once the level of Stonewall capture in Ofsted was exposed, they quietly dropped Stonewall and have been reverse ferreting ever since. No apologies, no contrition but they've recently pronounced that schools transitioning children in secret from parents is a safeguarding issue.

Things will roll back significantly once the final Cass report is published and organisations realise the levels of social & medical experimentation that they're pushing at children.

Musomama1 · 17/12/2023 13:48

It makes sense that children who are under social workers are overrepresented in this area. Trauma backgrounds in young age groups make for an unstable sense of self, it's well known - a very good psychotherapist explained this to me years ago.

i do wonder how many social activists are within social work, much like the cohort of young teachers pushing ideology in school. They think they know best, social justice warriors.

TheFireflies · 17/12/2023 23:33

Musomama1 · 17/12/2023 13:48

It makes sense that children who are under social workers are overrepresented in this area. Trauma backgrounds in young age groups make for an unstable sense of self, it's well known - a very good psychotherapist explained this to me years ago.

i do wonder how many social activists are within social work, much like the cohort of young teachers pushing ideology in school. They think they know best, social justice warriors.

Quite a few, particularly the younger or more newly qualified, or those who come into it wanting to rescue people.

Equally there are quite a few who are not, and the key is to ensure their ability to speak up and have discussions without fear for their job, and that is really where the brave women who’ve gone to tribunal have really empowered these workers, particularly Maya.

Theresit · 17/12/2023 23:46

My friend’s daughters social worker and school affirmed her desire to be male. But we’re in Scotland so I’m not surprised. What I see is a girl who doesn’t fit the mould of pouty lips and long hair and is struggling to find her tribe.
She had an interest in mechanics so had loads of potential, but sadly is now a school refuser.

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RoyalWhoDidYouSayNooneOfthatNameHereOfficer · 25/12/2023 12:53

If I remember rightly a number of trans individuals / organisations made a cynical choice to target children in care / children away from their families. It was one of the first things that alerted me to the exploitative nature of those pushing this at children - that they deliberately sought out the most vulnerable of children for their "attention" with policies and training events for foster carers, staff in children's homes and social workers.

This is presumably the same principle by which sexual abusers and grooming gangs choose to target children in care.

Igmum · 26/12/2023 08:40

So pleased that there are GC CAFCASS officers but yes, I imagine the majority will follow the guidelines so this must be changed.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 26/12/2023 09:03

i am old. Institutional abuse supported by social workers has always been there - children from care homes have always been at risk. Picked up from care homes by their abusers. Look at how Jimmy Saville picked girls up from care homes. Social work attracts amazing people who want to help people but also attracts some very dubious types. What worries me is the institutional capture of these organisations to what end? Looking at policies which say that female service users cannot choose female care staff is one outcome in organisations. Legitimate access to abuse women.